Windows XP

[§ereña]

Just whether the mass out there like or dislike WIN XP and do u think it is a more stable operating system?

[theARTiSAN]

My personal (humble) opinion...
I have tried it and did not like it. I found the 'fresh new look' to be insulting and vulgar (a joke), and while there are a few neat features Windows 2000 did not have, I gave it up and am sticking with Win2K.

That is a comparison between WinXP and Win2K... If you want to compare XP to ME, 98 (1s tor SE) or 95 - I would recommend XP over any MS-DOS based OS due to the stability alone.

Also, there is a ton of spyware coded directly into XP and many of its standard-issue programs. There is a great proggy called XP AntiSpy that removes the spyware and settings. I've attached it here... I would NEVER run XP without this.

Also - I wouldn't have too much faith in the firewall that comes standard with XP. If it will not raise a finger to stop the any of the spyware traffic, what else won't it raise a finger to stop? I would go with a 3rd-party firewall without any hidden agendas.

In short - quite a bit I didn't like about XP: the activation scheme, the spyware, the firewall, the revolting new look... But on the whole it is (IMHO) better than any MS-DOS OS... Linux still kicks all their *sses...
Ok I'll shut up now ;)

[tavenger5]

Ah cool.. thanks man. I was trying to diable ms messenger. That program is stubborn.

I think the home edition of xp sucks. Luckely I have the pro version. :)

I used Win Blinds to modify my desktop to my liking. (and I match my computer) Take a look in the 'Post your Desktop' thread in chit chat.

[§ereña]

thnx 4 ur opinion.....much appreciated :)

[MajBoothroyd]

I've tried out a bunch of OS's. I'm on XP Pro and ME right now. ME is better in my opinion. It's much easier to find software, it actually COMES with an aspi manager (makes ripping CD's a reality). You don't have to undo all that funky reorganisation of things. The firewall is annoying, I just ended up putting in my same old one. XP is a little more stable, and it's a little faster, but there's a lot that you'd have to get used to that's kinda a nuisance. Most annoying of all, is that just like most NT's it won't save in anything smaller than 32kb chunks. If I remember that had something to do with stability and proper usage of clusters. So all those little text files with lyrics, all your saved or home made html files, instruction manuals, help files, data files, you name it... will all take up 32kb a piece, even if they're all only about 4kb in actual size. If I still had my NT5 (aka 2000 Pro) I'd probably have used that instead. Right now I'm stuck with XP Pro... heh, the supposed NT6... but it's too dummied.

[linkinparkkid]

I switched from 95 to XP last Christmas, so I'm probably one of the few impressed with XP. :)

[ParticleMan]

Originally posted by §ereña
Just whether the mass out there like or dislike WIN XP and do u think it is a more stable operating system?

I think WindowsXP is the best out of all the other Windows operating systems. It is easy to use, and very stable.

[theARTiSAN]

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I've personally had better luck with Win2K - I've had both on the same machine(s) and have had problems w/XP. If you have XP and love it, great! I'm glad it's working better for you than it did me.

A lot depends on the combinations of hardware and software you're running - it does make a difference.:thumbsup:

[§ereña]

lol, looks like there's no fight yet!! :)

[mulop555]

i think i have had about most of the os even 3.1 and xp i think is the best but i still have to try the pro version and windows 2000

[§ereña]

what about on a networking level?

[theARTiSAN]

Windows 2000 family (pro, server or advanced server) networks like a dream...
Did not bother to network XP, but have been told it is very good too.
:thumbsup:

[§ereña]

yeah, i quite like the WIN 2000 Family with networking. I tried XP today and spent over an hour and a half trying to get the OS to pick up the goddamned driver. Attractive as XP maybe:), sometimes i think that's all its good for........


:cool:

[theARTiSAN]

Originally posted by §ereña
Attractive as XP maybe:), sometimes i think that's all its good for........:cool:

;)
That, my dear, is what I said when I switched back to Win2K.

p.s. CONGRATS on the 'MIDI Addict' Title!:thumbsup:

[§ereña]

yeah, once i hit 100 posts, my title changed

:thumbsup:

[spock127]

I've tried Win98, WinME, Win95 etc., and Win98 has been pretty good and stable, but WinXP wins hands down - nice interface, easier to use, quicker than previous versions, stable and more features. I've got a dual boot with WinME, but I never need to use WinME as I've not had any major problems with WinXP.

[§ereña]

hey, thnx for ur opinion spock127 !:cool:

[gio1421]

I enjoy xp. Even tho it isnt compatible with alot of things i think it is great. It has a great look to it too. Then again lol the only other system i have had was windows 98. lol

[advancedflea]

I'm gonna contradict Most of you. My oppinion of XP is it is fan-flippin'-tastic. I have had every operating system exept 2000 & NT since windows 3.1 and XP is on the level with 3.11 for being the best. hereis my short reviwe of them all

WIN 3.1/3.11: Yeah! well-cool! one of the most stable operating systems there is. but it is slow, even on our old 586 system.

WIN95: Give me 95 any day. It sped up our 586 no-end. the 1st version was stable, relyable, fast, sharp on the net and it had a masterfull new look. more user friendly than 3.11

WIN98: You must be jokeing?!? this is the WORST OS there is. it is slow, the install took forever, even on our "new" 500Mhz Pc (it was new then) it is slow booting up, it is un-stable by that I mean it freezes every 5 minuets, it was slow on the net and "windows update" didn't damn well work!!

WIN ME (Millenium eddition): Ahh! this came on the PC that was all mine! I'll be truthfull, I bought an eMachines PC so i got a pre-relise version of Millenium eddition on the origonal restore CD but even on the old 566Mhz processor in this computer it booted up in 4 seconds, ran the net faster than ever before, windows up-date actually worked, allthough I had to disable automatic up-date cuase it was a pain in the A**E but stable, allthough not to be run on packard-bell computers.

Win XP (eXPerience for those who don't know) Yes! Yes! Yes! I have waited for what seems like forever for an OS that matches 3.11/95's stability with ME'S "system restore" something that ran the net faster still and had windows up-date! This is it! The install only took 25 min on my 1.8Ghz (yeah, I up-graded considerably since I bought this eMachine but i still say eMachines rule!) It boots up fast, It runs the net like a bullet, it hardly ever crashes and the new "start" bar is soo cool!!!! But if you get XP YOU MUST go to www.windowsupdate.com IMMEDIATLY you get your internet connection up-and-running on it. unless you get it bang-up-to-date it won't function with some of your older USB hardware.

That is my honest oppinion of all operating systems, exept for one, I have an Apple iMac lap-top, commonly knowen as an iBook with mac OS X on it, OS X is the best non-windows OS to get.

[§ereña]

wow, that was really thorough.

Strike one for Microsoft :):):)

[advancedflea]

yeah, to me the word "quick" or "short" don 't exist! lol, but if any one else has any question about any of my listed OS'S (Exept OS X, i only just got that) then Post it on this board or PM me

[theARTiSAN]

advancedflea - what is take on a comparison between Linux (say... Mandrake or SuSe distibutions) and OS X?
I've used Linux quite a bit and love it - how the the stability, security and user-friendliness/ease-of-use compare?

I love Linux, but will be the first to admit that there is a steep learning curve.
;)

[advancedflea]

To be brutally honest with you, they had Linux on our school computers at one point, and I hated it. It was about as stable as a house built on jelly and you'd have better security WITHOUT Linux's built-in firewalls. if anyone reads this then gets linux, I will hit you.

[§ereña]

*lol* that's putting it bluntly. Wow, i've never heard any1 say linux was unstable........:):):)

[advancedflea]

Yeah, Allong with windows 98, Linux Is terrible for stability, not to mention user-friendlyness. my advice is either stick with 95 or get XP if you want a high-powerd system. or for non-windows PC'S get an iMac with OSX

[theARTiSAN]

???
I've never heard that before either... I've used Linux Slackware, SuSe, Redhat and Mandrake (all being fairly recent versions mind you) and have found the stability to be better than any version of Windows (NT or not).
What distributions(s) of Linux were you talking about?

[advancedflea]

Not a clue! lol. I just used it on the schools computers, that is all i know! lol.

Oh, BTW, anyone reading this who has herd the rumor that XP wipes out your hard drive after useing norton anti-virus 2002/norton systemworks 2002 it is totaly UN-TRUE. I have had windows XP since x-mas and norton system works 2002 since october and it hasn't had a problem, Infact Norton systemworks helps my PC run faster (I have 1.8 Ghz and sometimes it does slow down) than ever! so by all means keep your Norton programs, and keep them up-to-date, especially Norton Anti-virus

[andyw99]

open source is the future. when windows finishes its ride from 95 to 98f to 98s to Mellinium to god knows what, an open source os's will be the future. i dont believe anyone can do a fare comparison on windows operating systems without getting hands on experience with windows 2000.

As far as personal computing and daily life computer use windows 2000 is by far the best and most stable operating system. I will be the first to say that Windows Mellinium is the worst ever to leave microsofts doors. Memory management in windows mellinium is poor, almost scary poor.

XP may run fine for those who have it pre-loaded on a machine built to run windows xp. However I would never suggest anyone install xp onto a system not fully specked out for it.

Thats just my opinioin I could be wrong.

[theARTiSAN]

WORD!
andyw99 - I could not have said it better!

[advancedflea]

Andy, I'm gonna be blunt as I can with you. When I bought this computer, it had a sticker on that said "designed for windows 98" allthought it cam pre-loaded with a pre-relise version of Millenium Eddition, and that worked.

2 yrs after (christmas 2001) I had up-graded it to a 966Mhz Processor (1.8 now) 60GB HDD and 384MB of RAM. not quite what people would call enough to run XP, but Ignoreing what people said about it, I bought XP and put it in, it worked straight off and I have never had to re-load my system since that day. I will admitt, I up-graded to a 1.8Ghz 2 months ago and that strapped a rocket to the computers back. but my point is, XP worked on my Pentium III 966 (Believe it or not I have a Celeron in it now, Celeron soket 370 motherboards are, in effect, "future proof") I'm not argueing with what you are saying, that XP may not work out aswell for some people as it did for me (one person I know, put it on his 400Mhz pc...Idiotic or what?!?!) but it does work. people just gotta remeber to do a windows Update every month or so. :)

[§ereña]

hmmmm......so, do u think i should run XP on my Pentium 2 233mHz, 2.99GB HDD, 64MB RAM??
*lol* j/k
:):):)

[advancedflea]

Lol. Serena, I think u need to upgrade you SYSTEM let alone your windows! :p :)

[theARTiSAN]

Nevermind all that §ereña...
You got THE GLOW!
:thumbsup:

[advancedflea]

artisan...huh?

[theARTiSAN]

J/K
I was saying that now that she has "the glow" (around her username) nothing else matters... No need to upgrade
;)
Only kidding of course

[advancedflea]

Oh I noticed that. how do u get the glows? I can't find how to get them (to quote...)"wah titty!!!"

[theARTiSAN]

You "buy" it at the feature store http://degster.com/midi/board/store.php?s=&action=main

It costs 2000$ though.:jawdrop:


P.S. what the hell does wah titty mean??? :confused:

[birds_r_2_cool]

Where do u find the midi input driver for windows xp

[KingXII]

IMHO
3.11: is very stable
9x (95, 98, ME) hmm the worst operating systems ever even though 95 was very radical back then. Stablity kept getting worse and worse.
NT (NT4, 2000, XP) very stable operating systems XP seems to have more problems than the other 2.

I've changed the way I've put them, seems more clear now.
Well some of the operating systems listed here, I've never used or used for a short period of time. One can find articles about operating systems in magazines or online like on cnet.

[advancedflea]

Ok, right,

Artisian - Thanks. and "Wah tity" was something you actually said to me in another thread! :p

Birds_r_2_cool - you find the midi input driver from the company that manufacture your sound card (something like creative or someone like that)

king - 95 was a good O/S and still is. allthough you were right about 98, but my pre-relise version od ME was good. And XP is very good if you KEEP IT UP-TO-DATE

[sbouda]

I like XP more than the other operting systems. I have had one error in the past 2 years (and it dosnt have the "Blue Screen") like the others. I used to have an error twice a day on 98 & 95.

[§ereña]

yes, actually artisan u did say wah titty in another thread, ive been meaning to ask u bout it.......sounds like a child crying

:):):)

[§ereña]

and yeah, i do need to upgrade since forever. problem is the cost of a new computer! i don't know how much it in america bt down here its the equivalant of about $4000 american dollars

thou i am still persisting i will succeed!! even if it means robbing bill gates *;)*

:):):)

[tavenger5]

I just bought some new stuff today. New mobo: Asus a7v333-wr (with raid) AMD 2100+ XP processor, 512megs of kingston ddr ram, 80gb Maxtor DiamdMaxPlus hard drive, and new plextor (black) cd-rw drive :)

It all cost me about $600 USD.. Not bad at all.

Serena, that's about $1200 GST for your info ;)

[theARTiSAN]

Originally posted by §ereña
yes, actually artisan u did say wah titty in another thread, ive been meaning to ask u bout it.......sounds like a child crying

:):):)

HACKERS!!!! MUSTA BEEN HACKERS!!!!
I NEVER SAID THAT while standing on my head on the top of the Eifel Tower NEVER NEVER NEVER NOT EVEN ONCE a day for the last several weeks I RESENT (i mean regret) THE IMPLICATIONS (i mean the fact that i got caught) AND DENY IT TO THE END!!

I NEVER INHALED!!!
I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN!
I REVERT TO MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT!

Ok, so what? I said it... I have no idea what it means. It comes off to me as being a little whining, crying baby (in need of a feeding, perhaps?)...
Well that's my story an I'm stickin' to it!

[theARTiSAN]

advancedflea - of course you know as far as you are concerned, I OBVIOUSLY meant "wah titty" in the kindest, most affectionate way :thumbsup:

[advancedflea]

Ok, here is my list of replys for today :rolleyes:

serina - yes! thank you! i told you artisian!! lol and on a serious note, I have an eMachines eTower 566CD which was the best you could get when i got it. it cost me the equvilant od $400 USD (£200) A> eMachines are cheap AND they are VERY good B> i allready had a printer, screen, scanner etc so I only bought the Tower (system base) so I would recomend you get an eMachines PC

Tpearl5 - Ooooooh! snazy!! :)

artisian - whaaa??????

[theARTiSAN]

Ok,
enough of all this clowning around now...
;)

There has been a new version of XPAntispy released. Now 3.61, and you can be the first on your block to have it :D

You can keep up with XPAntispy yourselves now...
http://www.xp-antispy.de/
I am attaching the english version.
There are alternate language versions on their downloads page.
:thumbsup:
Njoy

[advancedflea]

Thanks artisian. But I use 2 firewalls aswell as anti-spy. my computer only lets things "talk" out onto the net if i say it's ok. I use Norton firewall 2002 (if ANYONE tells me norton is going to kerrupt my system, THEY DIE!!!) and Zonealarm. my computer is like fort knox!!! lol (saying that, i bet i get hacked at some pint this week now!):boink:

[theARTiSAN]

LOL -
advancedflea, you can never be too paranoid...
I'm running a similar configuration: Norton Internet Security 2002 and BlackICE... Used to run ZoneAlarm along side the other 2, but it took me an hour to get anything done online half the time ;)

Ciao~
theARTISAN

[§ereña]

do u realize, artisan, if u took away, from the attachment u posted, the x from xpantispy, it would be 'panti spy'?

Yes, u can tell what i do with my time.........

[§ereña]

just before i download anything else......does xp antispy only work with xp or not?

thnx :):):)

[advancedflea]

Yeah, norton internet security comes with norton firewall (or visa versa) but i just have norton firewall stand-alone. I actually pirated it off my friend. and zone alarm only slows u down if you don't know what ur doing

[advancedflea]

Thewallofsound - yeah, the visualiseations are generally alot cooler! :)

[theARTiSAN]

Originally posted by §ereña
just before i download anything else......does xp antispy only work with xp or not?

thnx :):):)

Yeah - it was specifically designed to remove the spyware in XP - I know it doesn't work on Win2K - probably not on anything else either.

p.s. LOL! pantispy eh? maybe that is the underlying reason I have been promoting it around here so much???? that's fuuuuunny!:thumbsup:

[§ereña]

:smart:

[BlimeyLimey]

Yes I like it pity about the authentification :hit:

[advancedflea]

You can by-pass that. my friend "Harrison" found out how to do it

[RyanNCSU83]

Windows XP is great for usability, but still I dont think anything compares to Linux... It just rocks

[theARTiSAN]

*Point* for Ryan - :thumbsup:

[advancedflea]

well, thats ur oppinion. mine is i really dont like linux

[bobbisox]

While XP does have some nice features, it really is a pain trying to get a lot of the "older" software to work on it. It seems like microsoft just wants you to keep spending. (DUH!)

As far as stability...

A lot of people say it's so much more stable. Well, it hasn't been for me. If, by any chance, something happens and you have to shut down, NEVER, and I mean NEVER hit the power button. You need to go through the "proper" shut down routine. If you're computer is frozen, and hitting the power button is your only option, pray while doing so. Everytime this has happened to me, I would get an error message that windows had not shut down properly. It then gave me the option of starting normally. It didn't work. I have had to re-install my XP 3 times now.

[advancedflea]

That aint a windows XP problem. that is a problem with your computer. perhpas your hard drive is PHYSICALLY damaged? (On the actual disk that is, not the shell) because when my computer freezes, all I do it press and hold the power button untill it turns off, wait a few seconds then re-boot. it does a scan disk and them comes back on fine.


when it comes up with that erro screen, just go to "last known working configureation" you may lose a few drivers, but it doesnt hurt to try it

[bobbisox]

Been there, done that, didn’t work. This is a new computer. The first day I had it, it did this. It’s done it a few times since then.

[theARTiSAN]

Originally posted by advancedflea
well, thats ur oppinion. mine is i really dont like linux

You're free to have that opinion - but IF I remember correctly, you had said that your experience with Linux was limited to a few Boxes loaded with it at your college, and you weren't even sure what distribution you had tried...

I would honestly advise that you pick a distribution (RedHat or Mandrake are good to start with) give it a fair shake before damning it to hell :D
It is a great OS (IMHO). Yes - a steeper learning curve than Win??.XX, but once you grasp Linux, you will have a more profound understanding of how a Box or OS truely works.
It is the OS that drives the internet we all know and love. That should say something in itself ;)

[advancedflea]

I was actually going to try it when I went back to collegeg on monday after the summer holidays. but they have been in and changed "tundra" (the Main-frame) over from linux to NT, decided they didnt like NT and are now up-gradeing to windows 2000

[theARTiSAN]

Ah :D
My favorite Win version (2k)...

Opinions are like Midis - everyone has 'em and some of them suck.
Just sharing from my humble experience. I still use Windows (in a dual boot config. with Mandrake Linux) - but believe me when I say that the day I find the perfect Linux Studio/Audio proggys to replace the ones I use now, I will say bye bye to Windows entirely.

Linux is freely (legally) downloadable from countless FTP servers and sites all over the net, and with it's open-source nature, it has been (and will continue to be) improving by the hour. As soon as they (collective Linux Distributors/programmers) start concentrating fully on ease-of-use and new user friendliness - It may become the popular flavor of pre-loaded Boxes from IBM, etc.

[advancedflea]

yeah, what gets even b etter is he college are tryng to un the NT servers and the 2000 servers down the same set of cables. i.e 2 networks down 1 cable, which is slow. or "interresingly paced!" lol

[KingXII]

Win2k is such a good OS.
WinXP is too. I love both.
I've never felt the way about OSs since 95.

And for Artisan's fave OS Linux. It's not for me, not enough programs and games to keep me happy, plus which developer don't wanna ride on MS's monopoly of the PC market.

[advancedflea]

well, XP was actually built on the shoulders of NT & 2000. but if you listen to what the ICT lecturer @ city of wolverhampton college says, NT is 8ollok$

[lostdave]

i liked NT 3.51....then 4 (except service pack 4...now there's a headache!!!)

has it's uses..but as microsoft got bigger...they got more complacent about software security......but that's a whole other thread....don't get me started

Dave

[advancedflea]

yeah, my friend "harrison" knows how to get past the windows XP product activation

[§ereña]

hmmmm, now that a friend to have! ;););)

[stealthbynature]

true.............

[advancedflea]

yep :> even though my windows xp is genuine

[Si]

Originally posted by §ereña
what about on a networking level?

I've networked XP Pro and it worked fine :-)

[advancedflea]

yeah, win xp is desigend for networking in some way shape or form

[kabong]

WinXP is the best choice for home users and small companies, IMO. Linux works best for server administration and is (just a little bit) more stable than WinXP. However, compared to earlier Win9X Versionx, XP is a giant improvement.

[advancedflea]

Yeah, I use windows XP at home. its by far the best that has been released since windows 3.11. Win 3.11 was pretty decent. We never had any problems with it apart from a blue-screen onece every 6 months

[hockeyman200]

at first i didnt like it but now its the easiest operating system for me to use

[bwaynem]

I think it is definately better than 98 or ME, it's is a lot more stable and you can make it look like the older versions of windows too!