CD's not playing on computers.

[KingXII]

What does everyone think about record labels incorporating programs that cause people's computers to crash or don't play on store bought cds?

[Florimo]

Do you think it will last?

There are obviously ways around this (ie, real time recording of the cd as opposed to ripping tracks) but if it minimises the profit loss of artists I think it is a good thing. If there was no money in recording then we all wouldn't have fantastic midi files to sequence!

Who knows how long CD's will be around for anyway? Soon enough, I think that all music will be able to be purchased and downloaded straight from the record companies.......(still quite a few years from that really but what the hey!)

Florimo

[KingXII]

i wouldn't want to pay for downloadable cds because they will have encryption on them and I can't make my own mixes with them. The joys of owning a cd is that you can mulnipulate the songs and the cd anyway you want. Think of the VCR and now digital recording of TV broadcasts. Music isn't anything, anyone can play someone's music. I understand how the music industry is losing money due to file trading but this is out rageous, just shut down the p2p networks, well that might not be the best idea because there will always be p2p networks even if they are very small.

i'm done with my rant
:laugh:

[axeman]

I disagree with putting more restrictions like this on CDs. They cost enough as it is, and putting programs to stop you copying them doesn't make them more attractive to buy or cheaper. I myself don't copy them anyway, but I can understand why people do, what with them being so expensive. People will always find a way round things like this, so it's really only a stop gap anyway. What really gets me is the amount of money you have to pay if you want to learn music. Fair enough, charge people who want to listen to it, but if you want to learn music, I think you should be able to buy CDs/tab books cheaper. Otherwise, the record companies are shutting of whole new generations of future musicians who may want to sign with them.

Music shouldn't be free, but learning it should at least be cheaper.

Grrrrr!

[Raven]

The record industry kinda screwed up when they first made CD's. There error is on the price that they were set at. Most CD's cost about 15-20 bucks. That is inceredibly more than cost, anyone who has boughten CD-R's should know this. The higher price of CD's begged for the "evil" p2p programs to reaise their heads. Also CD burners became a popular way of getting the CD for little cost. The record execs are trying to take down the p2p programs. That will never happen. There are too many. They also want to make CD's that can't have songs ripped from them. There will always be a way to get around that. Look at PS2 games. They use CD's but the CD's have a mod chip in them. I know dozens of places where I can buy mod-chip enhanced CD's but they run it the price range of upwards of 30 bucks. A blank CD can cost about half a cent. There is not the big gap with PS2 games. The same theory can apply for DVD's. I'm sure that the record company will go through with their threat, and technology will find a way around it. They should just lower prices, then the demand for copying CD's will decline.

[KingXII]

They should just lower prices, then the demand for copying CD's will decline.

I agree Raven. Who wants to boycott cds if every single record label comes out with antiripping or anticomputer playing cds?

[Raven]

Yeah, I'll do it!!!! Power to the People!!!! Hell No, We Won't Go!!!! Rodney King!!!! Rodney King!!!!

Think I got a little carried away there

[KingXII]

a little?
you've just swept the board off its feet.

[Raven]

I'm sorry, I'll keep my views to myself.

[KingXII]

Raven voice your opinion just don't over do it.

[Raven]

aye, aye. Will do so.

[theARTiSAN]

Good views here guys -
There never has been any doubt as to the recording labels' greed.
If they would package a good product at a reasonable cost, people wouldn't feel the need to find 'em elsewhere.

There always will alternate methods of ripping tracks and obtaining music... From realtime recording to software/hardware workarounds... That doesn't really concern me.
What does concern me is the labels mentality that they can sell CDs that will not work in PCs or even newer DVD players (etc)
The thought that they can conduct business that way without any regard to pissing off their paying customers is rather alarming.

[Raven]

Heaven forbid that bands would have to tour more as a way to make up for the rest of the money.

[KingXII]

I wonder if people are going to boycott of cds once record labels fully implement this technology.

::runs to the nearest music store to buy the avril cd::
must have the avril cd.
::just realized I should have drove::

[Yega]

Originally posted by KingXII
What does everyone think about record labels incorporating programs that cause people's computers to crash or don't play on store bought cds?

The easiest way to go around this is Isobuster. It just reads the "readable" Sektors and u can extract and convert them as u wish =))

[KingXII]

actually there is a cd on the market that once you put it into your computer it would cause it to crash. You don't even have the chance to make an image of it.

[Raven]

does anyone know what that CD is?

[KingXII]

i forgot which one but i read about it in the local paper.

[theARTiSAN]

Another one is MediaCloQ copy protection which uses a malformed TOC on the CD.
Most CDroms won't read them at all - some new CD playes and DVD's won't read them either - but you can return them without much problem if they don't work in your gear.

[ade2055]

yes it's a new reglement for not burn official cd

[KingXII]

i believe sooner or later the american people won't stand for this and boycott cds.

[theARTiSAN]

I'm all for it...
Until the day they develope a scratchproof, kid-proof, lose it or it gets stolen proof CD, I'm going to continue to back them up on my machine or burn a back up. I've bought too many CDs that have gotten ruined or lost - I'm not gracious about throwing money away.
The ball's in their court in my opinion.

[dstruct2k]

Hey, cd's aren't supposed to be a way of ripping people off, they're supposed to be a way for artists to share their creations with the rest of the world. I think musicians, especially the big name ones, are drifting into their own reality, and are losing the "personal touch" that should come with performing music for others. I mean, who wants to listen to the closed-minded thoughts of another person? We all have ourselves for that! The record label companies are taking this sh*t WAY too seriously, and I think it's not only wrong, it's explotation of the public. They now want to prevent us from copying their music! Idea to solve this: Don't charge so much for the music in the first place! I can guarantee that if the charged half the price that they do today, people would see no point in wasting their time and effort to make cds when it would only cost a few dollars more to buy it legally. No one that I know enjoys breaking copyright laws, but they are forced to by high prices. I think this should stop, and that the entire music format should be redefined. CDs are too universal now--everything comes on cd and can read cds now. The music industry needs a new way of distributing the music, one that WON'T encourage the illegal copying/distributing that is going on today.

Woah--one long post. :: wipes sweat from brow :: I should really calm down here! Just my 2 MB$ worth!

[KingXII]

Originally posted by dstruct2k
Hey, cd's aren't supposed to be a way of ripping people off, they're supposed to be a way for artists to share their creations with the rest of the world. I think musicians, especially the big name ones, are drifting into their own reality, and are losing the "personal touch" that should come with performing music for others. I mean, who wants to listen to the closed-minded thoughts of another person? We all have ourselves for that! The record label companies are taking this sh*t WAY too seriously, and I think it's not only wrong, it's explotation of the public. They now want to prevent us from copying their music! Idea to solve this: Don't charge so much for the music in the first place! I can guarantee that if the charged half the price that they do today, people would see no point in wasting their time and effort to make cds when it would only cost a few dollars more to buy it legally. No one that I know enjoys breaking copyright laws, but they are forced to by high prices. I think this should stop, and that the entire music format should be redefined. CDs are too universal now--everything comes on cd and can read cds now. The music industry needs a new way of distributing the music, one that WON'T encourage the illegal copying/distributing that is going on today.

Woah--one long post. :: wipes sweat from brow :: I should
really calm down here! Just my 2 MB$ worth!


that's 5MB$ worth.
yeah i would gladly pay $5 per cd well my limit would be $10 USD. I don't even buy cds anymore, well i only buy cds that i know i will enjoy as in listening to it until i get bored of it, which is around a month.