What is it called when?

[Julian Russell]

a question for the rap brain trust

you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...

there is a term for it and it escapes me...

thanks

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com

[Jack]

Simon Says?

Jack

"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Julian Russell <info@magpiesound.com> wrote:

> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...

Rubato

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

[Artie Turner]

Julian Russell wrote:
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...

caesura
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Julian Russell]

Thanks guys but that's not it... it doesn't mean just slow or stop

another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
rap', on the rim.... it's a more general term... a writing, arranging
device..*and* it's on the tip of my tongue.... arrrrr...

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com


"Artie Turner" <artie_t@swbell.nyet> wrote in message
news:lQXRa.265$e56.121@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Julian Russell wrote:
> > a question for the rap brain trust
> >
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> caesura
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Julian Russell
> > http://magpiesound.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:32:08 GMT, "Julian Russell"
<info@magpiesound.com> wrote:

> it's on the tip of my tongue.... arrrrr...

Is this a Pirate term?



Chris Hornbeck,
guyville{at}aristotle{dot}net
question Authority

[Charles Thomas]

In article <YWXRa.9814$7O.8909@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>,
"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys but that's not it... it doesn't mean just slow or stop
>
> another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
> rap', on the rim.... it's a more general term... a writing, arranging
> device..*and* it's on the tip of my tongue.... arrrrr...

Sonomatopoeia?

CT

[Brian Takei]

Artie Turner (artie_t@swbell.nyet) wrote:
>
> Julian Russell wrote:
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> caesura


and for a slowing down, perhaps 'retard' (or 'retardation')

- Brian

[Troy]

musical chairs

:-)


Julian Russell <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Patric D'Eimon]

I know what you are asking and I've gone through Don Sebesky, Russ Garcia,
Clinton Roemer, Van Alexander and Mickey Baker arranging books but still
haven't found the term. Dang!

Maybe this will help. It is a glossary of music terms.

www.hearts-ease.org/cgi-bin/terms.cgi?data=conservatory

Patric

Troy wrote:

> musical chairs
>
> :-)
>
> Julian Russell <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
> news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > a question for the rap brain trust
> >
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Julian Russell
> > http://magpiesound.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

[Neil Rutman]

lyric scoring?

Neil R

"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9B_Ra.457270$ro6.10991465@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> musical chairs
>
> :-)
>
>
> Julian Russell <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
> news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > a question for the rap brain trust
> >
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Julian Russell
> > http://magpiesound.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Don Cooper]

Julian Russell wrote:

> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...


Onomatopoeia.


Don

[Jay - atldigi]

In article <3F18A853.DE713102@comcast.net>, dcooper28800@comcast.net
wrote:

> Julian Russell wrote:
>
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
>
> Onomatopoeia.
>
>
> Don

Which is the name of the first track on the new Spock's Beard album.

From the boring trivia department...

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
www.promastering.com

[Pugnut99]

Cymbalism

[Nospam9212]

On 7/18/03 3:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Julian Russell" info@magpiesound.com
wrote...

>Thanks guys but that's not it... it doesn't mean just slow or stop
>
>another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
>rap', on the rim.... it's a more general term... a writing, arranging
>device..*and* it's on the tip of my tongue.... arrrrr...

Call and Response.


-= Francis Yarra =-
fyarraATjunoDOTcom
http://members.aol.com/fyarra001/ads - My drywall website
http://members.aol.com/fyarra001 - My C64 website
http://members.aol.com/prsnl99 - My personal website

[Danny Taddei]

I think you are looking for "call and answer".


Julian Russell wrote:

> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Fletcher]

Julian Russell wrote:

> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops...

rest

> or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...

retard(ed)
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Fletcher]

Julian Russell wrote:

>
> another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
> rap', on the rim....

tacky
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"

[Tonebarge]

Julian Russell wrote:

> Thanks guys but that's not it... it doesn't mean just slow or stop

Try: onomatopoeia

Main Entry: on·o·mato·poe·ia
Pronunciation: "ä-n&-"mä-t&-'pE-&, -"ma-
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin, from Greek onomatopoiia,
from onomat-,
onoma name + poiein to make -- more at POET
Date: circa 1577
1 : the naming of a thing or action by a vocal
imitation of the sound
associated with it (as buzz, hiss)
2 : the use of words whose sound suggests the
sense



--
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true"

[Bryson]

Jay - atldigi wrote:
> In article <3F18A853.DE713102@comcast.net>, dcooper28800@comcast.net
> wrote:
>
>
>>Julian Russell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>>>stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>>
>>
>>Onomatopoeia.
>>
>>
>>Don
>
>
> Which is the name of the first track on the new Spock's Beard album.
>
> From the boring trivia department...


It's also an old Todd Rundgren tune.

"Onomatopoeia, every time I see ya..........."

>

[Patrick Covert]

In article <K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, Julian Russell
<info@magpiesound.com> wrote:

>a question for the rap brain trust
>
>you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
>there is a term for it and it escapes me...

When the music slows it's a ritard, not retard. When it stops it's
usually called a stop beat, although rest works too.


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[Mike Rivers]

In article <K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> info@magpiesound.com writes:

> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...

The end of the song.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[Mondoslug1]

>
>
>Julian Russell wrote:
>
>>
>> another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
>> rap', on the rim....
>


I was working for this C&W artist did this dumb ass tune aboout getting caught
in a motel room with the wrong person, "and there was a knock on the
door"...usually accompanied by drums going rap rap rap.
Crew sent out on stage a moving Energizer Rabbit they'd found that
day.............he kicked the **** out of it into the audience. Didn't like
surprises I guess. Nothing was ever said. Hit a chick in audience in the chest
with it also when he kicked it.
>tacky
>--
>Fletcher
>Mercenary Audio
>TEL: 508-543-0069
>FAX: 508-543-9670
>http://www.mercenary.com
>"this is not a problem"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





My tunes at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

[Mondoslug1]

>
>In article <K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> info@magpiesound.com
>writes:
>
>> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>>
>> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
>The end of the song.
>
>
>--
>I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
>
fermatta, birdseye..I dunno



My tunes at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

[Julian Russell]

>
> tacky
> --

we have a winner!

but lots of silly stuff needs a name....

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com




"Fletcher" <Fletcher@mercenary.com> wrote in message
news:3F18F41C.4EB81C65@mercenary.com...
>
>
> Julian Russell wrote:
>
> >
> > another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
> > rap', on the rim....
>
> tacky
> --
> Fletcher
> Mercenary Audio
> TEL: 508-543-0069
> FAX: 508-543-9670
> http://www.mercenary.com
> "this is not a problem"
>
>

[Julian Russell]

um... it will come to me. Thanks for all the valiant stabs. I remember
reading the term a month or so ago (but not where) and tried to make a
mental note (hey.. that's cool.. that has a name!) but the ole noggin failed
me.

An onomatopoeia ( which is probable the closest, but not it ) is when a
words sounds like what it is describing... another cool word but..

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com





"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Julian Russell]

yes, frustrtated pirate

Julian Russell
http:///magpiesound.com


"Chris Hornbeck" <guyville@removethisaristotle.net> wrote in message
news:i2kghvkt3f0gq7hj4dmk3pf890650sm959@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:32:08 GMT, "Julian Russell"
> <info@magpiesound.com> wrote:
>
> > it's on the tip of my tongue.... arrrrr...
>
> Is this a Pirate term?
>
>
>
> Chris Hornbeck,
> guyville{at}aristotle{dot}net
> question Authority
>

[Mike]

"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message news:<K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com

That's called acoustamatopoeia.


Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Tmuska]

There is a musical term from Renaissance vocal music called "text painting" or
"word painting" where the music matches the text. Running up the hill =
ascending line. "Two by two" has two voices. Birds singing is matched by violin
trills, etc. There's probably a more contemporary term for this - Or someone
will come up with one.
Terry
TMuska@aol.com

[Julian Russell]

That's *exactly* the idea... but not the word!

Thanks Terry


"Tmuska" <tmuska@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030719122757.01143.00000354@mb-m22.aol.com...
> There is a musical term from Renaissance vocal music called "text
painting" or
> "word painting" where the music matches the text. Running up the hill =
> ascending line. "Two by two" has two voices. Birds singing is matched by
violin
> trills, etc. There's probably a more contemporary term for this - Or
someone
> will come up with one.
> Terry
> TMuska@aol.com

[crow]

"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:AGcSa.12994$7O.12531@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> um... it will come to me. Thanks for all the valiant stabs. I remember
> reading the term a month or so ago (but not where) and tried to make a
> mental note (hey.. that's cool.. that has a name!) but the ole noggin
failed
> me.
>
> An onomatopoeia ( which is probable the closest, but not it ) is when a
> words sounds like what it is describing... another cool word but..
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
> and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Julian Russell
> > http://magpiesound.com



Tacet?

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:38:34 GMT, "Julian Russell"
<info@magpiesound.com> wrote:

>you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
>there is a term for it and it escapes me...

Do you get the NPR show "Says You" where you are? Maybe
you could ask them. Maybe start at:

http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/radio/saysyou/

Good Hunting,

Chris Hornbeck,
guyville{at}aristotle{dot}net
question Authority

[Bryson]

A $40 a night bar gig.



Julian Russell wrote:
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Bryson]

Tmuska wrote:

> There is a musical term from Renaissance vocal music called "text painting" or
> "word painting" where the music matches the text. Running up the hill =
> ascending line. "Two by two" has two voices. Birds singing is matched by violin
> trills, etc. There's probably a more contemporary term for this - Or someone
> will come up with one.

A Carl Stallingism.

[Bryson]

Mondoslug1 wrote:

>>
>>Julian Russell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
>>>rap', on the rim....
>>
>
>
> I was working for this C&W artist did this dumb ass tune aboout getting caught
> in a motel room with the wrong person, "and there was a knock on the
> door"...usually accompanied by drums going rap rap rap.
> Crew sent out on stage a moving Energizer Rabbit they'd found that
> day.............he kicked the **** out of it into the audience. Didn't like
> surprises I guess.

What a wuss.

Nothing was ever said. Hit a chick in audience in the chest
> with it also when he kicked it.
>
>>tacky
>>--
>>Fletcher
>>Mercenary Audio
>>TEL: 508-543-0069
>>FAX: 508-543-9670
>>http://www.mercenary.com
>>"this is not a problem"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My tunes at:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm
>
>

[Bryson]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article <K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> info@magpiesound.com writes:
>
>
>>you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>>stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>>
>>there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
>
> The end of the song.


Last call!



>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[Bryson]

Julian Russell wrote:

> um... it will come to me. Thanks for all the valiant stabs. I remember
> reading the term a month or so ago (but not where) and tried to make a
> mental note (hey.. that's cool.. that has a name!) but the ole noggin failed
> me.

Yeah, mental notes used to work for me too, but now I've gotta
buy stickies....... and reading glasses.


Timmy


>
> An onomatopoeia ( which is probable the closest, but not it ) is when a
> words sounds like what it is describing... another cool word but..
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
> news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
>
>>a question for the rap brain trust
>>
>>you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
>>stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>>
>>there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>Julian Russell
>>http://magpiesound.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Mondoslug1]

redbugg wrote:

>Mondoslug1 wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Julian Russell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>another example... a lyric says "knock.. and the drummer goes 'rap,rap,
>>>>rap', on the rim....
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was working for this C&W artist did this dumb ass tune aboout getting
>caught
>> in a motel room with the wrong person, "and there was a knock on the
>> door"...usually accompanied by drums going rap rap rap.
>> Crew sent out on stage a moving Energizer Rabbit they'd found that
>> day.............he kicked the **** out of it into the audience. Didn't like
>> surprises I guess.
>
>What a wuss.
>


Capital W.

[Julian Russell]

YES!!!

Of course... I read it in Mixerman!!

Thanks!

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com



"Ralph & Diane Barone" <rdbarone@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BB40B6EC9668113E22@192.168.0....
> In article <20030719002512.07566.00000120@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:
>
> >Cymbalism
>
> Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
> since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it was
> on rec.audio.pro.
>
> PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
>
> Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes
the
> possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
> take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
> stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
> the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound,
everybody
> look what's goin' round."
>
> Man, I better get a prize for this...
>
>

[Julian Russell]

Oh... yes, as to your prize... many thanks.. and if you are ever in Boston,
I'll buy you a beer.. or coffee or whatever you pleaseure.

That word has really been bugging me!

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com


"Ralph & Diane Barone" <rdbarone@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BB40B6EC9668113E22@192.168.0....
> In article <20030719002512.07566.00000120@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:
>
> >Cymbalism
>
> Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
> since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it was
> on rec.audio.pro.
>
> PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
>
> Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes
the
> possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
> take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
> stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
> the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound,
everybody
> look what's goin' round."
>
> Man, I better get a prize for this...
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Make sure you spell it correctly. Pug's spelling was quite a cute pun. But
I wonder of the snare knocking isn't moreso called a rimjob.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Roger@SirMusicStudio.com
301-585-4681




"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:_AKSa.21851$7O.14499@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Oh... yes, as to your prize... many thanks.. and if you are ever in
Boston,
> I'll buy you a beer.. or coffee or whatever you pleaseure.
>
> That word has really been bugging me!
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
> "Ralph & Diane Barone" <rdbarone@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:BB40B6EC9668113E22@192.168.0....
> > In article <20030719002512.07566.00000120@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> > pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:
> >
> > >Cymbalism
> >
> > Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
> > since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it
was
> > on rec.audio.pro.
> >
> > PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
> >
> > Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes
> the
> > possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
> > take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
> > stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
> > the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound,
> everybody
> > look what's goin' round."
> >
> > Man, I better get a prize for this...
> >
> >
>
>

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On 19 Jul 2003 04:25:12 GMT, pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:

>Cymbalism

Now that's funny!
I immediately thought of onomatopoeia, but I don't think that is it.
That's where you use a word that sounds like the sound it describes
like "ding" or "buzz".
I'll be curious to know if there is a word for what you are asking
about.

Paul Gitlitz
Glitchless Productions
www.glitchless.net

[no spam]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 04:15:16 GMT, rdbarone@shaw.ca (Ralph & Diane
Barone) wrote:

>In article <20030719002512.07566.00000120@mb-m14.aol.com>,
>pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:
>
>>Cymbalism
>
>Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
>since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it was
>on rec.audio.pro.
>
>PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
>
>Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes the
>possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
>take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
>stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
>the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound, everybody
>look what's goin' round."
>
>Man, I better get a prize for this...
>
Wouldn't you know it. It was in the next post after I responded. I
should read them all first I suppose, but then I'd never post
anything.

Paul Gitlitz
Glitchless Productions
www.glitchless.net

[no spam]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:14:13 -0700, Danny Taddei
<barrelorum@netscape.net> wrote:

>I think you are looking for "call and answer".

This is technically known as antiphony.

Paul Gitlitz
Glitchless Productions
www.glitchless.net

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On 19 Jul 2003 16:27:57 GMT, tmuska@aol.com (Tmuska) wrote:

>There is a musical term from Renaissance vocal music called "text painting" or
>"word painting" where the music matches the text. Running up the hill =
>ascending line. "Two by two" has two voices. Birds singing is matched by violin
>trills, etc. There's probably a more contemporary term for this - Or someone
>will come up with one.
>Terry
>TMuska@aol.com

Call me an old fart, but I love this sort of arranging. Perhaps it's
because I do a lot of kids albums.
Paul Gitlitz
Glitchless Productions
www.glitchless.net

[Julian Russell]

PROSODY!

Read it in Mixerman... Ralph got it!

Thanks man

Julian Russell
http://magpiesound.com


"Ralph & Diane Barone" <rdbarone@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BB40B6EC9668113E22@192.168.0....

>
> Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
> since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it was
> on rec.audio.pro.
>
> PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
>
> Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes
the
> possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
> take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
> stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
> the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound,
everybody
> look what's goin' round."
>
> Man, I better get a prize for this...
>
>








"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message
news:K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
> thanks
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Bob Ross]

Julian Russell wrote:

> PROSODY!
>
> Read it in Mixerman... Ralph got it!

I'm afraid that's incorrect. "Prosody" refers to the stress and inflections of
a lyric, and how those match with the stress and emphasis of a musical phrase.
It is a description of metric phenomena: how the placement of strong/weak
musical beats corresponds (or doesn't) to strong/weak syllables.

The word you are looking for may be "Mickey-Mousing". That's a mid-20th
Century film scoring term to describe a musical score which attempts to mimic
the screen action literally.

/Bob Ross

[William Sommerwerck]

Actually, it dates back to the late 20s, when sound film was introduced -- qv,
"Steamboat Willie."

Max Steiner was notorious for his "Mickey Moused" scores. It works well in some
movies, such as "King Kong," not so well in others.

In "Dark Victory," Steiner actually scores Bette Davis walking up a flight of
stairs. Davis didn't like it. "Either I am going to walk up those stairs, or Mr.
Steiner is going to walk up those stairs, but not both of us." Steiner won.

Modern films have increasingly long scores, with some films having hardly a
moment that isn't musically "enhanced." However, Steiner was the first composer
to heavily score films, such as "The Key." If you're musically sensitive, it can
get Really Irritating, Really Fast.

> The word you are looking for may be "Mickey-Mousing".
> That's a mid-20th Century film scoring term to describe
> a musical score which attempts to mimic the screen action
> literally.

[Mike Rivers]

In article <3F1C34A2.59B33A2A@verizon.net> b.ross@verizon.net writes:

> The word you are looking for may be "Mickey-Mousing". That's a mid-20th
> Century film scoring term to describe a musical score which attempts to mimic
> the screen action literally.

I think he's looking for a term that describes when the singer says:
"When I say 'stop', everybody freeze. And when I say 'do the boogie',
everybody shake your booty." And then in the next phrase of the song
he says "Stop" and a little later, he says "Do the boogie."

I think that's called "lyrics." I really doubt that there's a
classical name for it. It isn't classical. It's Tin Pan Alley.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[Matthew Champagne]

"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message news:<K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> a question for the rap brain trust
>
> you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
>
> there is a term for it and it escapes me...


Text Painting

-Matt

[Mixerman]

Actually, the definition of prosidy amongst music writers is not necessarily
limited to the placement of lyrical accents with musical beats. Yes, that is
the main crux of prosody, but in broader terms prosody refers to the
marriage of a lyric to the music. There is good prosody and bad prosody.
Singing "stop" and stopping the music momentarily would typically be
considered good prosody.

This may 'technically' be a misuse of the word prosody, that I couldn't say
as I'm not necessarily a scholar on the history of this particular word. But
I know some very well respected writers that define this sort of
literalization of lyric as prosody. I might also point out that the word
"money" would never have had a definition of "friend" listed in the
dictionary 15 years ago, as the use of a word is what ultimately defines it.

Mixerman


"Bob Ross" <b.ross@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F1C34A2.59B33A2A@verizon.net...
> Julian Russell wrote:
>
> > PROSODY!
> >
> > Read it in Mixerman... Ralph got it!
>
> I'm afraid that's incorrect. "Prosody" refers to the stress and
inflections of
> a lyric, and how those match with the stress and emphasis of a musical
phrase.
> It is a description of metric phenomena: how the placement of strong/weak
> musical beats corresponds (or doesn't) to strong/weak syllables.
>
> The word you are looking for may be "Mickey-Mousing". That's a mid-20th
> Century film scoring term to describe a musical score which attempts to
mimic
> the screen action literally.
>
> /Bob Ross
>

[Carey Carlan]

"Mixerman" <mixer.man@verizon.net> wrote in
news:v3BTa.15138$Qe5.10740@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:

> Actually, the definition of prosidy amongst music writers is not
> necessarily limited to the placement of lyrical accents with musical
> beats. Yes, that is the main crux of prosody, but in broader terms
> prosody refers to the marriage of a lyric to the music. There is good
> prosody and bad prosody. Singing "stop" and stopping the music
> momentarily would typically be considered good prosody.
>
> This may 'technically' be a misuse of the word prosody, that I
> couldn't say as I'm not necessarily a scholar on the history of this
> particular word. But I know some very well respected writers that
> define this sort of literalization of lyric as prosody. I might also
> point out that the word "money" would never have had a definition of
> "friend" listed in the dictionary 15 years ago, as the use of a word
> is what ultimately defines it.

It also refers to matching the meter of the music to the meter of the
lyrics. I don't listen to the radio much these days, but when I do I'm
struck by the poor prosody (didn't know until now that it was called that)
of most manufactured music. They grab a beat. Toss in a melody. Select a
lyric at random. Pile them all together and make a song.

[joehenry]

Hi Matt, I was checking out a website for finding people and put your
name into Google. Out comes all these questions and comments by you
and I was intrigued. I don't know if you access this site or not so I
don't know if you will see this. Just checking.(G) Love, Dad


fishtorte@earthlink.net (Matthew Champagne) wrote in message news:<7e51ee63.0307220943.85e93e5@posting.google.com>...
> "Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> wrote in message news:<K8XRa.9725$7O.5089@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> > a question for the rap brain trust
> >
> > you have a tune... the lyric sings, for instance, "stop" and the music
> > stops... or... " slow" and the music slows... etc...
> >
> > there is a term for it and it escapes me...
>
>
> Text Painting
>
> -Matt

[James Acker]

Of course...Prosody can be WAY more subtle than that as well, or can work on
more than just two levels.
The whole song form (I think) can be a form for prosody... as well as
distinct words out of the lyrics.

Can be that when you sing about things speeding up, your lyrics also are
using more short syllables....when the song expresses something taking a
long time using words that stretch out.

You guys all probably know this, I am just the master of stating the
bleeding obvious....and I'm defending my title.



--
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"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice,
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"Julian Russell" <info@magpiesound.com> skrev i melding
news:_AKSa.21851$7O.14499@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Oh... yes, as to your prize... many thanks.. and if you are ever in
Boston,
> I'll buy you a beer.. or coffee or whatever you pleaseure.
>
> That word has really been bugging me!
>
> Julian Russell
> http://magpiesound.com
>
>
> "Ralph & Diane Barone" <rdbarone@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:BB40B6EC9668113E22@192.168.0....
> > In article <20030719002512.07566.00000120@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> > pugnut99@aol.com (Pugnut99) wrote:
> >
> > >Cymbalism
> >
> > Dammit, this question's been driving me crazy for the last couple days,
> > since I remember seeing the answer SOMEWHERE before, and I thought it
was
> > on rec.audio.pro.
> >
> > PROSODY! From the Mixerman chronicles, 21 Nov 2002
> >
> > Then, one must consider the fact that without a lyric, one relinquishes
> the
> > possibility of the use of prosody; that-is performing the music so as to
> > take the lyric literally. The simplest example of this being the music
> > stopping on the word "Stop" which happens in countless songs. "Stop...In
> > the name of love."; You gotta stop...children, what's that sound,
> everybody
> > look what's goin' round."
> >
> > Man, I better get a prize for this...
> >
> >
>
>