Now He Sings, Now He Sobs reissue

[Robert Schuh]

I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :-)

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Steve Gardner]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
> who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
> blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
> great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
> that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
> 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
> someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :-)
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

****...this is a classic CD. I just bought the New York reunion, or
something like that, double CD. I do not care for that as much as the three
Quartets or Nowhe sings, now he sobs CD....I still like the Three Quartets
CD the best out of all I have hard over the years....hating to live off the
difference though...SG
>
>

[Kyrre Laastad]

great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.

peace,
-kyrre

[Bradley Evans]

Robert Schuh wrote...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. [...]

To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
new tracks compared to the previous CD release.

-Brad

[Glenn Wilson]

Robert - Strange you mentioned it, but one of the things I'm always struck
by is Roy's cymbal sound on that recording. Maybe it's the recording or the
fact that it's a trio, but that sound just sticks in my head (no pun
intended).

Glenn
www.jazzmaniac.com

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
> who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
> blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
> great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
> that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
> 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
> someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :-)
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>
>

[JC Martin]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts.


8 new cuts???? ****e---you mean I have to buy *another* reissue?

-JC

[JC Martin]

"Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.c om...
> Robert Schuh wrote...
> > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> > also has 8 new cuts. [...]
>
> To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
> new tracks compared to the previous CD release.


Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.

-JC

[Bill Ray]

That's old dead music Rob.

:)

BR



"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
> who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
> blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
> great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
> that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
> 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
> someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :-)
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>
>

[ric]

Robert Schuh wrote:

> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
> who has not heard this side, it is a must have.

This remaster was released on July 16, 2002...over a year ago. There
have been a few threads on it, the latest being part of the "Well done
Sum1" thread. I've had mine since last year some time.

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[Nick]

"Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
> great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
> is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
>
> peace,
> -kyrre

To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).

Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
Specifics are appreciated.

[Michael Fell]

On 25 Jul 2003 14:06:47 -0700, nick8004@aol.com (Nick) wrote:

>"Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
>> great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
>> is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
>>
>> peace,
>> -kyrre
>
>To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
>acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
>Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).


Trio music is very good too.

Mike

[Glenn Wilson]

"Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1d97fb30.0307251306.35e4beea@posting.google.c om...

> To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
> acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
> Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
>
> Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
> Specifics are appreciated.

To me it NHSNHS just sounds fresher. At that point in Chick's career it was
an important step. All the later stuff, while good musically, just doesn't
have that spontaneous feel to me. Also, Miroslav and Roy Haynes brought
something to the music that none of the other rhythm sections did on the
later recordings. Miroslav and Chick were contemporiries and Roy certainly
more experienced but they really seemed to gel. The later groups are more
'Chick with his rhythm section' to me. Of course I'm older and by the time
I had heard some of Chick's later acoustic trio stuff, I was already
spoilied. For those who have discovered this stuff first, they may hear it
entirely different. That's the beauty of great improvised jazz music.

I realize you wanted specifics and I gave you generalizations. Sorry.

Glenn
www.jazzmaniac.com

[Robert Schuh]

Nick wrote:

> "Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
> > great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
> > is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
> >
> > peace,
> > -kyrre
>
> To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
> acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
> Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
>
> Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
> Specifics are appreciated.

Chick's Circle band recordings on ECM with Barry Altschul and some also with Anthony Braxton were monstrous. IT
is really sad that so many people know Chick from that horrible Elektric Band crap.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Glenn Wilson wrote:

> "Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1d97fb30.0307251306.35e4beea@posting.google.c om...
>
> > To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
> > acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
> > Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
> >
> > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
> > Specifics are appreciated.
>
> To me it NHSNHS just sounds fresher. At that point in Chick's career it was
> an important step. All the later stuff, while good musically, just doesn't
> have that spontaneous feel to me. Also, Miroslav and Roy Haynes brought
> something to the music that none of the other rhythm sections did on the
> later recordings. Miroslav and Chick were contemporiries and Roy certainly
> more experienced but they really seemed to gel. The later groups are more
> 'Chick with his rhythm section' to me. Of course I'm older and by the time
> I had heard some of Chick's later acoustic trio stuff, I was already
> spoilied. For those who have discovered this stuff first, they may hear it
> entirely different. That's the beauty of great improvised jazz music.
>
> I realize you wanted specifics and I gave you generalizations. Sorry.
>
> Glenn
> www.jazzmaniac.com

Glenn,
I agree with your assessment. NHSNHS is a real classic. The other bands sound
like guys getting together so play and in many instances, show off their chops.
That is THE biggest problem with so many of the guys today who grew up playing
fusion. This is especially true with drummers. Guys like Weckl sound like they
are thinking all of the time. They also have worked out so much "drum crap"
ahead of time, that they are more interested in getting their "drum crap" stuck
in the music rather than just listening and playing music. What I have to wonder
with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony crap? I am
sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with really
playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not saying he
has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary Peacock,
but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do hearing
these extra tracks on this new issue.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[ric]

Nick wrote:

> > great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
> > is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
> >
> > peace,
> > -kyrre
>
> To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
> acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
> Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
>
> Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
> Specifics are appreciated.

The "Akoustic Band" release was impotent. Good idea, but zero band
chemistry. The Bud Powell release is *excellent*, IMO. The "Three
Quartets" release was good, too. I enjoyed the "New Trio" release,
but a lot of folks didn't. No opinion on Time Warp or Origin, since
I am not familiar with them (although the "New Trio" participants
were part of Origin.)

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[Marc Sabatella]

"Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote:

> Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
> Specifics are appreciated.

Much looser than Akoustic Band or the Bud Powell tribute. The fact that
it is a trio makes comparisons to larger groups a bit awkward; I don't
know what "New Trio" is.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@outsideshore.com

The Outside Shore
Music, art, & educational materials:
http://www.outsideshore.com/

[Anthony Giampa]

Is this the same 13-track release that apparently came out mid-last year?
When I read this post, I almost went out immediatly to find this album (I'd
always heard about it but never owned it) and it wasn't at the local
Tower... and they have a fairly decent selection. Is this a BRAND NEW
release? I think if it were they would have had it...

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
> I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
> who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
> blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
> great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
> that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
> 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
> someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :-)
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>
>

[ric]

Anthony Giampa wrote:

> Is this the same 13-track release that apparently came out mid-last year?

Yes.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=A2q4tk6kxtkr0

> When I read this post, I almost went out immediatly to find this album (I'd
> always heard about it but never owned it) and it wasn't at the local
> Tower... and they have a fairly decent selection. Is this a BRAND NEW
> release? I think if it were they would have had it...

As you said, a year old.

http://www.alldirect.com/music/mItem.asp?mitemNo=724353826529&cartID=550664081112030702
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=2VSBFGIMCG&ean=724353826529

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[naknir]

The bassist in his "new trio" is Avishay Cohen, an Israeli bass
player.
The is another Avishay Cohen in the NY jazz scene which is a great
GREAT trumpet player, jazz of course. Have any of you heard about him
or actually hear him play? Israeli too.
And what about Omer Avital? GREAT double-bass player, in the NY jazz
scene too. Plays with Jason Linder, and leads his own groups. Played
on a regular basis in "Smalls" club. Heard him ?

Just curious....

Nir Brener.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:53:41 -0700, ric <nospam@home.com> wrote:

>Marc Sabatella wrote:
>
>> Much looser than Akoustic Band or the Bud Powell tribute. The fact that
>> it is a trio makes comparisons to larger groups a bit awkward; I don't
>> know what "New Trio" is.
>
>Chick Corea (Tne New Trio) "Past, Present, and Futures"
>(SCD-9035-2 Stretch Records)
>
>I'd grade it as 4 stars (out of 5.)


-----------------------------------
Nir Brener, an 18 years old drummer from Israel.

[Robert Schuh]

JC Martin wrote:

> "Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Robert Schuh wrote...
> > > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> > > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> > > also has 8 new cuts. [...]
> >
> > To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
> > new tracks compared to the previous CD release.
>
> Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.
>
> -JC

How about 8 new cuts though? :-)


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Glenn Wilson wrote:

> Robert - Strange you mentioned it, but one of the things I'm always struck
> by is Roy's cymbal sound on that recording. Maybe it's the recording or the
> fact that it's a trio, but that sound just sticks in my head (no pun
> intended).
>
> Glenn
> www.jazzmaniac.com
>

Glenn,
That is one of the most famous ride cymbal sounds of all time. Flat rides,
because of having no bell, produce very few overtones, so you get basically all
stick attack. While this is great for that sound, it also makes them horrible
for versatility. You get no sound of you crash them, no sound if you play
mallets on them and unless you have a rivet or 2, you get no sound with brushes.
I personally gave up on them years ago. I tried one again not too long ago and
while the stick sound was wonderful, I could not justify have a part of my
musical set up that was so limiting. I can get an infinite array of sounds from
my standard rides, so I just use 3 20 rides and get all the sounds I could
need! Yes, I could add a flat as a 4th cymbal, but 4 cymbals is just not my cup
of tea. ;-)



--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Zoot wrote:

> "Glenn Wilson" <glenn.wilsonNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<xVaUa.66841$EZ2.60815@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> > Robert - Strange you mentioned it, but one of the things I'm always struck
> > by is Roy's cymbal sound on that recording. Maybe it's the recording or the
> > fact that it's a trio, but that sound just sticks in my head (no pun
> > intended).
>
> i remember hearing that for that recording roy had half the tips cut
> off his sticks. more of a half hourglass shape instead of egg. also
> sounds like a pretty long taper

I have owned both 18" and 20" Paiste 602 flats. It is the cymbal, not the sticks.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[ric]

Robert Schuh wrote:

> JC Martin wrote:
>
> > "Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.c om...
> > > Robert Schuh wrote...
> > > > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> > > > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> > > > also has 8 new cuts. [...]
> > >
> > > To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
> > > new tracks compared to the previous CD release.
> >
> > Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.
> >
> > -JC
>
> How about 8 new cuts though? :-)

Good reading skills, Robert. JC's original Blue Note CD *has* the "new"
cuts. The 2002 release is just 24 bit, which apparently is not enough to
attract him.

The LP had 5 cuts. *All* CDs have 13. The extra 8 are from the LP "Circling
In."

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=Aik9ss37ya3rg

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[Nick]

Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> Glenn Wilson wrote:
> What I have to wonder
> with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony crap? I am
> sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with really
> playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not saying he
> has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary Peacock,
> but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do hearing
> these extra tracks on this new issue.
>

Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
the mid-90's.

Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.

A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
"Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
"Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
about him.

[Robert Schuh]

ric wrote:

> Robert Schuh wrote:
>
> > JC Martin wrote:
> >
> > > "Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Robert Schuh wrote...
> > > > > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
> > > > > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
> > > > > also has 8 new cuts. [...]
> > > >
> > > > To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
> > > > new tracks compared to the previous CD release.
> > >
> > > Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.
> > >
> > > -JC
> >
> > How about 8 new cuts though? :-)
>
> Good reading skills, Robert. JC's original Blue Note CD *has* the "new"
> cuts. The 2002 release is just 24 bit, which apparently is not enough to
> attract him.
>
> The LP had 5 cuts. *All* CDs have 13. The extra 8 are from the LP "Circling
> In."
>
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=Aik9ss37ya3rg
>
> --
> Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

You know Ric, where was the need to turn this into a personal attack? I had NO idea
his version had the extra tracks. Why don't you at least grow some balls and post
your name when you are going to talk ****? What an asshole. BTW, did you see he
smiley next to my comment? Get a ****ing life. I am guessing "'Ric" is yet another
non player asshole.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Nick wrote:

> Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > What I have to wonder
> > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony crap? I am
> > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with really
> > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not saying he
> > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary Peacock,
> > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do hearing
> > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> >
>
> Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> the mid-90's.
>
> Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
>
> A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> about him.

I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum sound is absolutely
****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the same commercial
sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd is a great drummer,
but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no comparison of Gadd to
Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that means nothing in Jazz.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Eric wrote:

> Robert Schuh wrote:
>
> > You know Ric, where was the need to turn this into a personal attack?
>
> LOL! You accuse others of being rapists of young boys, yet get defensive
> when I point out that you have poor reading skills? Boo hoo...

THE key here is that YOU had nothing to do with this post. YOU attacked me
for you reason. My comment to the other guy was not offensive in any way. As
to your illogical and libelous assertion that my reading skills are suspect,
I'll put my educational background up against yours any day of the week. BTW,
how often are you paid for your writing?

>
>
> > I had NO idea his version had the extra tracks.
>
> It had been pointed out in multiple posts that only the LP was missing
> the additional tracks. You even quoted this back, along with JC's comment
> that "...24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then." ("Then"
> being the definitive word.) Don't you read what you quote?

What I want to know is why you even give a ****? This had NOTHING to do with
you. You are just another pussy troll.

>
>
> > Why don't you at least grow some
> > balls and post your name when you are going to talk ****?
>
> I do. In fact, you used it above.
>

Post your entire name, pussy.

>
> > What an asshole.
>
> From you, high praise!
>
> > BTW, did you see he smiley next to my comment?
>
> Is that your way of showing the group that you *do* have some sort
> of talent? Your musical prowess sure has been rebuffed.
>
> Have fun at your reunion.
>
> --
> Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

My musical talent has been rebuffed? By whom? You are yet another anonymous
pussy who is unable to use facts when trying to make a point or in an
argument. I suggest you butch up a bit. I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
find any professional Jazz musician whom I have performed with who would back
up your libelous comments. How does that grab you? ****. Get a life. Are you
even a musician?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Mark Rance]

Can someone here please clue me in as to how and why fusion is "dated" and
yet the geriatric jazz standards, most of which pre-dated the original
fusion releases... are not, by definition, also dated or out-dated as the
case might be.
This concept continues to escape me.

-Mark

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> Nick wrote:
>
> > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > > What I have to wonder
> > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
crap? I am
> > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
really
> > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not
saying he
> > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
Peacock,
> > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
hearing
> > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> > >
> >
> > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> > the mid-90's.
> >
> > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
> >
> > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > about him.
>
> I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
sound is absolutely
> ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
same commercial
> sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd is
a great drummer,
> but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
comparison of Gadd to
> Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that means nothing
in Jazz.
>
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>
>

[Rod Stasick]

ric <nospam@home.com> wrote in message news:<3F23623B.276AE8CF@home.com>...
> The LP had 5 cuts. *All* CDs have 13. The extra 8 are from the LP "Circling
> In."
>
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=Aik9ss37ya3rg


A while back, before putting my LP of "Circling In" on eBay, I wanted
to gather all of the tunes from that LP together from CDs. I was
really surprised how spread out those tunes were. I think, you'd have
to have the "Now He Sings..." CD (By the way, wasn't the song: "Now He
Beats the Drum..." and NOT "...Drums..." [plural] on the original
LP?), and a copy of "The Beginning" (to get "Blues Connotation") and a
copy of "Early Circle" to get the rest. Yanow, by the way, leaves out
"Duet for Bass and Piano #2" in his song listing for "Cicling In" that
was included, too, on that LP. (and it's "...Kelvin", not
"...Kalvin").

....and about "Circle" - yes! great stuff! The Japanese CDs of "Circle
1: Live in Germany" and "Circle 2: The Gathering" are worth the search
too!

r

[ric]

Robert Schuh wrote:

> I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
> find any professional Jazz musician whom I have performed with who would back
> up your libelous comments. How does that grab you? ****. Get a life.

Chances are that I won't even find a professional jazz musician that will
admit performing with you. You don't pay your debts, anyway.

You are nothing more than a foul mouthed ex con failure. You make Amos
shine in comparison, which I didn't think was possible.

> Are you even a musician?

And that has ??? to do with this thread? The fact that you are a moron
doesn't vary either way.

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[Vincent Kargatis]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> Nick wrote:
> > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard
on
> > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the
same
> > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > about him.
>
> I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
sound is absolutely
> ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with
the same commercial
> sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd
is a great drummer,
> but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is
no comparison of Gadd to
> Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that means
nothing in Jazz.

I'm not sure why Nick was asking for a comparison between Gadd and
Haynes (haven't been following the discussion much), but I'll agree with
Schuh that Roy Haynes is a deserved legend (in a jazz pantheon way above
Gadd, sure - Nick, you should definitely (re)acquaint yourself!), but
disagree on his assessment of Gadd, who I thought sounded very good in
the contexts he played in, as Nick points out (also see those early
Steps albums). Coincidentally, a Gadd thread just popped up on
jazzcorner:
http://jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1922
--
Vincent Kargatis
np: Duck Baker - "Nick at T's" (Spinning Song)

[Bradley Evans]

Rod Stasick wrote in message...
> A while back, before putting my LP of "Circling In" on eBay, I wanted
> to gather all of the tunes from that LP together from CDs. I was
> really surprised how spread out those tunes were. I think, you'd have
> to have the "Now He Sings..." CD [...], and a copy of "The Beginning"
> (to get "Blues Connotation") and a copy of "Early Circle" to get the rest.

Alternately, everything on "The Beginning" is also included as bonus
tracks on "The Song of Singing" CD (except "Percussion Piece" which
is on "Early Circle").

Seriously, this Corea/Holland/Altschul/Circle stuff has to be the most
haphazardly released material around, spanning some half dozen LP or
CD releases: "Song of Singing", "Circling In", "Circulus", "Early Circle",
"The Beginning". I think I have it all now except for "Quartet Piece"
Numbers 1 through 3 from the "Circulus" LP. Does anyone know if these
three tracks are available on CD in any form?

Hopefully Blue Note will someday issue a coherent 2-CD set collecting
all this stuff like their excellent "Complete Is Sessions".

-Brad
(Who casts his vote for "Drone" as the best thing Corea ever did.)

[Rod Stasick]

Bradley - I have to agree with all that you say right here - it's a
real mess that cries for a good reissue. Many young guys who are into
the improv scene would really like to (and should) hear this work.
It's stuff that I grew up on and went thru many copies of practicing
drums to. Have yet to see the "Quartet Piece" works reissued at all...

Rod








bradley_evans@hotmail.com (Bradley Evans) wrote in message news:<e54e0cfa.0307290426.30df792f@posting.google.com>...
> Rod Stasick wrote in message...
> > A while back, before putting my LP of "Circling In" on eBay, I wanted
> > to gather all of the tunes from that LP together from CDs. I was
> > really surprised how spread out those tunes were. I think, you'd have
> > to have the "Now He Sings..." CD [...], and a copy of "The Beginning"
> > (to get "Blues Connotation") and a copy of "Early Circle" to get the rest.
>
> Alternately, everything on "The Beginning" is also included as bonus
> tracks on "The Song of Singing" CD (except "Percussion Piece" which
> is on "Early Circle").
>
> Seriously, this Corea/Holland/Altschul/Circle stuff has to be the most
> haphazardly released material around, spanning some half dozen LP or
> CD releases: "Song of Singing", "Circling In", "Circulus", "Early Circle",
> "The Beginning". I think I have it all now except for "Quartet Piece"
> Numbers 1 through 3 from the "Circulus" LP. Does anyone know if these
> three tracks are available on CD in any form?
>
> Hopefully Blue Note will someday issue a coherent 2-CD set collecting
> all this stuff like their excellent "Complete Is Sessions".
>
> -Brad
> (Who casts his vote for "Drone" as the best thing Corea ever did.)

[Roger Sherman]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:34:46 -0600, Mark Rance wrote:

> Can someone here please clue me in as to how and why fusion is "dated" and
> yet the geriatric jazz standards, most of which pre-dated the original
> fusion releases... are not, by definition, also dated or out-dated as the
> case might be.
> This concept continues to escape me.
>
> -Mark


Depends on what you call "fusion." If you call Chick Corea's "The
Leprechaun" fusion, a lot of the sounds are very dated. If you call Wayne
Krantz fusion, then there ain't nothing dated about it at all.



>
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
>> Nick wrote:
>>
>> > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
>> > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
>> > > What I have to wonder
>> > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
> crap? I am
>> > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
> really
>> > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not
> saying he
>> > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
> Peacock,
>> > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
> hearing
>> > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
>> > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
>> > the mid-90's.
>> >
>> > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
>> > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
>> > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
>> >
>> > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
>> > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
>> > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
>> > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
>> > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
>> > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
>> > about him.
>>
>> I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
> sound is absolutely
>> ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
> same commercial
>> sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd is
> a great drummer,
>> but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
> comparison of Gadd to
>> Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that means nothing
> in Jazz.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert Schuh
>> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
>> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
>> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
>> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
>> - Nietzsche
>>
>> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>>
>>

--

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com

"ooh big comeback from the non fan AKA little drummer boy"

theRob in alt.sports.hockey.nhl.nj-devils

[conso_no]

In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:

> My musical talent has been rebuffed?

oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
*I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
sunday. butch that, *****.


> I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can

you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.

[Da Parrot-chick]

One might gather that you don't like or respect Schuh :)

"conso_no" <peerless@prohost.com> wrote in message
news:peerless-A7C945.16222429072003@news06.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
>
> > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
>
> oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
> ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
> only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
> understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
> *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> sunday. butch that, *****.
>
>
> > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
>
> you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
> it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
> probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
> and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
> jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
>

[Robert Schuh]

conso_no wrote:

> In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
>
> > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
>
> oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
> ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
> only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
> understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
> *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> sunday. butch that, *****.
>
> > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
>
> you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
> it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
> probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
> and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
> jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.

Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
Portland can know so much about me anyway?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[ramalane]

"Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
news:amFVa.26988$Mc.2102051@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
:
: "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
: news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
: > conso_no wrote:
: >
: > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
: > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
: > >
: > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
: > >
: > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
: > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
: > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is
matched
: > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
: > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
: > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
: > > sunday. butch that, *****.
: > >
: > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
: > >
: > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it.
get
: > > it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your
_momma_
: > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
: > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
: > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
: > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
: > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
: >
: > Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
: > Portland can know so much about me anyway?
:
: I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two
days
: in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
:
: Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't ****. Put a skin
: on that and sell it on eBay.
:

..sig material! Thanks!

/ramalane
--
"Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't ****. Put a skin
on that and sell it on eBay."

[Michael Fell]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:40:22 GMT, "Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me>
wrote:

>
>"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
>news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
>> conso_no wrote:
>>
>> > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
>> > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
>> >
>> > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
>> > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
>> > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
>> > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
>> > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
>> > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
>> > sunday. butch that, *****.
>> >
>> > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
>> >
>> > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
>> > it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
>> > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
>> > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
>> > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
>> > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
>> > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
>>
>> Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
>> Portland can know so much about me anyway?
>
>I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two days
>in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
>
>Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't ****. Put a skin
>on that and sell it on eBay.

Kapow!

Mike

[Zee Dodo]

Michael Fell <mfell2112@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<wjAnP1XvWfRutr7NzM4HrFNApKGC@4ax.com>...
>
> Kapow!

Damn it, Schuh! These guys are killing you! Tell me: why do you
always have to go looking for it?

[Joey Furr]

"Zee Dodo" <zee_dodo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ffeb032.0307300303.2dec1e7d@posting.google.c om...
> Michael Fell <mfell2112@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<wjAnP1XvWfRutr7NzM4HrFNApKGC@4ax.com>...
> >
> > Kapow!
>
> Damn it, Schuh! These guys are killing you! Tell me: why do you
> always have to go looking for it?

If you read his posts carefully, you will understand that Rob actually
enjoys thinking that he is 'riling up' people here. He feels a sense of
accomplishment for it, it makes him feel powerful.

[ramalane]

"Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8-dnTkd6IdMWLqiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
: "Zee Dodo" <zee_dodo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:3ffeb032.0307300303.2dec1e7d@posting.google.c om...
: > Michael Fell <mfell2112@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:<wjAnP1XvWfRutr7NzM4HrFNApKGC@4ax.com>...
: > >
: > > Kapow!
: >
: > Damn it, Schuh! These guys are killing you! Tell me: why do you
: > always have to go looking for it?
:
: If you read his posts carefully, you will understand that Rob actually
: enjoys thinking that he is 'riling up' people here. He feels a sense of
: accomplishment for it, it makes him feel powerful.

Usenet Troll defined.

/ramalane

--
Church of the Swimming Elephant
http://www.cotse.com
Have you been to church today?

[George Lawrence]

"Put a skin
on that and sell it on eBay."

Can I use that one?



--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

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buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
news:amFVa.26988$Mc.2102051@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
>
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
> > conso_no wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
> > >
> > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
> > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is
matched
> > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
> > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
> > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> > > sunday. butch that, *****.
> > >
> > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
> > >
> > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it.
get
> > > it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your
_momma_
> > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
> > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
> > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
> >
> > Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
> > Portland can know so much about me anyway?
>
> I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two
days
> in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
>
> Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't ****. Put a skin
> on that and sell it on eBay.
>
>

[Da Parrot-chick]

Apparently you'll have to stand in line, but I'm honored that you would even
consider it.

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:2EPVa.28481$BM.9434199@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> "Put a skin
> on that and sell it on eBay."
>
> Can I use that one?
>
>
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
> news:amFVa.26988$Mc.2102051@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> >
> > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
> > > conso_no wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
> > > >
> > > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> > > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible,
your
> > > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is
> matched
> > > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't
you
> > > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a
wimp.
> > > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> > > > sunday. butch that, *****.
> > > >
> > > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
> > > >
> > > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it.
> get
> > > > it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your
> _momma_
> > > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> > > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a
wide
> > > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there.
the
> > > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> > > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
> > >
> > > Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
> > > Portland can know so much about me anyway?
> >
> > I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two
> days
> > in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
> >
> > Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't ****. Put a
skin
> > on that and sell it on eBay.
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Glenn Wilson]

This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to sign
a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of **** that has no
place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and sign
his name? Obviously not.

Glenn
www.jazzmaniac.com

"conso_no" <peerless@prohost.com> wrote in message
news:peerless-A7C945.16222429072003@news06.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
>
> > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
>
> oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
> ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
> only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
> understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
> *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> sunday. butch that, *****.
>
>
> > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
>
> you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
> it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
> probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
> and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
> jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.

[Robert Schuh]

Glenn Wilson wrote:

> This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
> from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to sign
> a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of **** that has no
> place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
> decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
> Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
> your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and sign
> his name? Obviously not.
>
> Glenn
> www.jazzmaniac.com

Glenn,
This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who post using
phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand behind their
words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been all
lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me using
facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When they
start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not a
stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and laughing with
it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's collective
place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99% of
which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer, are
gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of these
guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest aspiration
in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of touch with
reality is that? :-)

>
>
> "conso_no" <peerless@prohost.com> wrote in message
> news:peerless-A7C945.16222429072003@news06.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
> > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
> >
> > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
> > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
> > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
> > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
> > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
> > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive ****ing ass from here to
> > sunday. butch that, *****.
> >
> >
> > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
> >
> > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
> > it thru your head, you punk sissy *****: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
> > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
> > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
> > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
> > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
> > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.




--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Zee Dodo]

"Glenn Wilson" <glenn.wilsonNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<NkTVa.9192$kL2.4060@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...

> We're having a discussion about music and this person
> decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
> Amos again.

Wilson, instead of wasting time here hurling baseless accusations, why
don't you spend more time in the shed? Surely, you don't want to be a
third-rate journeyman all you life. Try to learn something from
people like Tabnik, DD Jackson etc. who also post here once in a
while.

[Dez Dankworth]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com


> When they
> start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
>

Ah, this explains it all. You've got it completely wrong, Shoe.
Personal abuse, especially in the filthy language you prefer, is "rock
bottom". On the other hand, musicianship is what music newsgroups are
all about -- and on that point, you are at the bottom.


--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

[Da Parrot-chick]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com...
> Glenn Wilson wrote:
>
> > This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
> > from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to
sign
> > a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of **** that has
no
> > place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
> > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this
could be
> > Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
> > your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and
sign
> > his name? Obviously not.
> >
> > Glenn
> > www.jazzmaniac.com
>
> Glenn,
> This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who post
using
> phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand behind
their
> words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been
all
> lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me
using
> facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When
they
> start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom.

What? You still here? I thought Thursday was garbage day.

Just
> about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not a
> stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and laughing
with
> it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's
collective
> place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99%
of
> which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer,
are
> gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of
these
> guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest
aspiration
> in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of
touch with
> reality is that? :-)

So if you have such a low opinion of rmmp and the people who post, then why
do you keep posting yourself? Oh, I know why. It costs nothing to complain
and you don't have to commit to anything. Right up your alley.

Schuh, you small puddle of monkey spunk. Why don't you practice your press
rolls instead of practicing your Johnny Torch routine?

[Anthony Giampa]

The whole second half of this thread reminds me of the days when I was a
kid, when our 'group' would get rid of the kid we all stopped liking. =)

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
news:%IZVa.126262$Io.10739605@newsread2.prod.itd.e arthlink.net...
>
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com...
> > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe
he's
> > > from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls
to
> sign
> > > a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of **** that has
> no
> > > place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this
person
> > > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this
> could be
> > > Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on
using
> > > your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and
> sign
> > > his name? Obviously not.
> > >
> > > Glenn
> > > www.jazzmaniac.com
> >
> > Glenn,
> > This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who
post
> using
> > phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand
behind
> their
> > words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been
> all
> > lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me
> using
> > facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When
> they
> > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom.
>
> What? You still here? I thought Thursday was garbage day.
>
> Just
> > about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not
a
> > stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and
laughing
> with
> > it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's
> collective
> > place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99%
> of
> > which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer,
> are
> > gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of
> these
> > guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest
> aspiration
> > in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of
> touch with
> > reality is that? :-)
>
> So if you have such a low opinion of rmmp and the people who post, then
why
> do you keep posting yourself? Oh, I know why. It costs nothing to
complain
> and you don't have to commit to anything. Right up your alley.
>
> Schuh, you small puddle of monkey spunk. Why don't you practice your
press
> rolls instead of practicing your Johnny Torch routine?
>
>

[Robert Schuh]

Dez Dankworth wrote:

> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com
>
> > When they
> > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
> >
>
> Ah, this explains it all. You've got it completely wrong, Shoe.
> Personal abuse, especially in the filthy language you prefer, is "rock
> bottom". On the other hand, musicianship is what music newsgroups are
> all about -- and on that point, you are at the bottom.
>
> --
> Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Why do you bother Amos?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Zee Dodo wrote:

> "Glenn Wilson" <glenn.wilsonNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<NkTVa.9192$kL2.4060@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
>
> > We're having a discussion about music and this person
> > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
> > Amos again.
>
> Wilson, instead of wasting time here hurling baseless accusations, why
> don't you spend more time in the shed? Surely, you don't want to be a
> third-rate journeyman all you life. Try to learn something from
> people like Tabnik, DD Jackson etc. who also post here once in a
> while.

Amos,
Why do you bother?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[JC Martin]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> Nick wrote:
>
> > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > > What I have to wonder
> > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
crap? I am
> > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
really
> > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not
saying he
> > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
Peacock,
> > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
hearing
> > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> > >
> >
> > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> > the mid-90's.
> >
> > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
> >
> > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > about him.
>
> I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
sound is absolutely
> ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
same commercial
> sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd is
a great drummer,
> but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
comparison of Gadd to
> Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means
nothing in Jazz.


Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.

-JC

[ric]

JC Martin wrote:

> Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
> Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.

And/or with Avishai Cohen (bass.)

--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...

[Donald Anderson]

Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
Chick's Mad Hatter.
He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
absolutely brilliant also.
If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
and did covers of other's songs.
Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
express themselves.

"JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> > Nick wrote:
> >
> > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > > > What I have to wonder
> > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
> crap? I am
> > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
> really
> > > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am
not
> saying he
> > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
> Peacock,
> > > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
> hearing
> > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> > > the mid-90's.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
> > >
> > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > > about him.
> >
> > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
> sound is absolutely
> > ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
> same commercial
> > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd
is
> a great drummer,
> > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
> comparison of Gadd to
> > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means
> nothing in Jazz.
>
>
> Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
> Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
>
> -JC
>
>

[joem]

Donald Anderson wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
> Chick's Mad Hatter.
> He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
> And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
> absolutely brilliant also.
> If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
> genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
> and did covers of other's songs.

I'm not siding with Rob, because I'm not familiar enough with Gadd to
take any stance on his playing. but Rob did say that he thought Gadd
was a great drummer, just not a great jazz drummer. how is that
different than what you're saying?

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

[Robert Schuh]

Before you get on your high horse, I suggest you read before you make ignorant
comments. I think Steve Gadd is a great drummer. I just don't like his Jazz
playing, especially the sound he gets. I don't know any Jazz musicians who would
out Gadd in the top 100 of Jazz players, but he is a wonderful all around
player. BTW Skippy, this thread is about 40 years old. I'll bet you think Jeff
Hamilton is a modern Jazz drummer too. Now go back to jerking off to your Steve
Gadd CDs and butch up a bit. Sorry, 1 more thing, you claim no intelligent
people use the F word? Ever heard of Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, William F.
Burroughs etc., etc.? ALL you have proven here is that you are probably some
non musician college kid who thinks he is cool because he has erectile
problems.


Donald Anderson wrote:

> Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
> Chick's Mad Hatter.
> He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
> And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
> absolutely brilliant also.
> If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
> genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
> and did covers of other's songs.
> Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
> I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
> express themselves.
>
> "JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> > > Nick wrote:
> > >
> > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > > > > What I have to wonder
> > > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
> > crap? I am
> > > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
> > really
> > > > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am
> not
> > saying he
> > > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
> > Peacock,
> > > > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
> > hearing
> > > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> > > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> > > > the mid-90's.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> > > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> > > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
> > > >
> > > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> > > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> > > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > > > about him.
> > >
> > > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
> > sound is absolutely
> > > ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
> > same commercial
> > > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd
> is
> > a great drummer,
> > > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
> > comparison of Gadd to
> > > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means
> > nothing in Jazz.
> >
> >
> > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
> > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
> >
> > -JC
> >
> >




--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

joem wrote:

> Donald Anderson wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
> > Chick's Mad Hatter.
> > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
> > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
> > absolutely brilliant also.
> > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
> > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
> > and did covers of other's songs.
>
> I'm not siding with Rob, because I'm not familiar enough with Gadd to
> take any stance on his playing. but Rob did say that he thought Gadd
> was a great drummer, just not a great jazz drummer. how is that
> different than what you're saying?
>
> --
> Joe.
>
> "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
> chance." - storm&stress

Joe,
This guy just wanted to be a dick. My biggest problem with Gadd's Jazz playing is
the HORRIBLE studio sound on the drums. Hid drums sound like cardboard boxes.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Donald Anderson wrote:

> Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
> Chick's Mad Hatter.
> He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
> And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
> absolutely brilliant also.
> If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
> genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
> and did covers of other's songs.
> Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
> I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
> express themselves.

Now that I re read this, the true hypocrisy of this guy comes blindingly
through. Just because my opinion differs from him, he turns the thread into a
personal attack on me. At the end, he then feebly attempts to take the high road
by making an ill informed comment that "NO ONE" who is intelligent ever says
****. Butch up kid. Why is YOUR opinion any more valid than mine?

>
>
> "JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
> > > Nick wrote:
> > >
> > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
> > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
> > > > > What I have to wonder
> > > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony
> > crap? I am
> > > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with
> > really
> > > > > playing the ****. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am
> not
> > saying he
> > > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary
> > Peacock,
> > > > > but he really could do some wonderful ****. I am looking forward do
> > hearing
> > > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
> > > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
> > > > the mid-90's.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
> > > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
> > > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
> > > >
> > > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
> > > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
> > > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
> > > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
> > > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
> > > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
> > > > about him.
> > >
> > > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum
> > sound is absolutely
> > > ****ing horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the
> > same commercial
> > > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd
> is
> > a great drummer,
> > > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no
> > comparison of Gadd to
> > > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means
> > nothing in Jazz.
> >
> >
> > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
> > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
> >
> > -JC
> >
> >




--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Da Parrot-chick]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F3DC1E7.B2C09AA6@robschuh.com...
> Donald Anderson wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant
on
> > Chick's Mad Hatter.
> > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
> > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
> > absolutely brilliant also.
> > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
> > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the
world
> > and did covers of other's songs.
> > Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
> > I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it
to
> > express themselves.
>
> Now that I re read this, the true hypocrisy of this guy comes blindingly
> through. Just because my opinion differs from him, he turns the thread
into a
> personal attack on me. At the end, he then feebly attempts to take the
high road
> by making an ill informed comment that "NO ONE" who is intelligent ever
says
> ****. Butch up kid. Why is YOUR opinion any more valid than mine?

3 reasons, Schuh: he's more intelligent, he's more articulate, and he's more
a musician than you are. Which isn't saying much, I know. But you did ask.

[Da Parrot-chick]

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F3DBF4C.2C9E7A21@robschuh.com...

My biggest problem with Gadd's Jazz playing is
> the HORRIBLE studio sound on the drums. Hid drums sound like cardboard
boxes.

Schuh, if you spent half as much time in the woodshed practicing as you did
grabbing your dick and challenging people to butch up whatever the hell that
means, you wouldn't be so bloody easy to make fun of. Do you even know
where the one is?

[NoSheeples]

>Schuh, if you spent half as much time in the woodshed practicing as you did
>grabbing your dick and challenging people to butch up whatever the hell that
>means, you wouldn't be so bloody easy to make fun of. Do you even know
>where the one is?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

This is freaking poetry! Funnt ****!

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch. Liberty is
a well armed lamb protesting the vote."

[conso_no]

x-no-archive: yes
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Skip said:
> >Schuh, if you spent half as much time in the woodshed practicing as you did
> >grabbing your dick and challenging people to butch up whatever the hell that
> >means, you wouldn't be so bloody easy to make fun of. Do you even know
> >where the one is?

The truly hilarious thing about Schuh's constant alienating of everyone
is that he's shooting himself in his own damn-fool foot. The people that
read this group are, as disheartening as this sounds, his peers....the
only people that would give a passing thought to (making the big mistake
of) buying a recording that he somehow happened to end up on. He
honestly doesn't understand that NOBODY likes him. Plus, he can't
play...I've heard him numerous times. He plays like an idiot. And he
doesn't swing. At any rate, rave away, Schuh....pretty soon you'll find
out how smart your maneuverings really are.

[BlueM0ZARK]

< pretty soon you'll find out how smart your maneuverings really are >

You're is a spot on observation. But, he's been doing this here for years here
and will undoubtedly do it for years more. Very unlikely that the situation
will change.

[Nick]

Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message news:<3F3DBF4C.2C9E7A21@robschuh.com>...

>
> Joe,
> This guy just wanted to be a dick. My biggest problem with Gadd's Jazz playing is
> the HORRIBLE studio sound on the drums. Hid drums sound like cardboard boxes.
>
I can't disagree with you on the cardboard box analogy -- it's true.
He definitely gets a fairly "dead" sound. Funny, when I was playing in
rock bands in high school, the worst thing you could say about a
drummer's kit was that it sounded like cardboard boxes. For some
reason, though, when it comes to Gadd, it works for me.

I guess it depends on the *kinds* of boxes. ;-)

What I really like about his straight-ahead playing is the way he
messes with time. He does all kinds of off-the-wall syncopations,
really ratcheting up the tension and release and making you feel like
you're on a roller coaster ride. I find it much more electrifying than
a lot of standard bebop drumming.