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"Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, but what about most wind insturments, which are transposing? For the
whole
> history of the world, most wind players have been transposing on the fly
when
> not playing written music. A lot of trumpet players like to use C
trumpets, but
> when was the last time you saw anyone using a C melody saxophone, for that
> matter?
>
Most gigging horn players are what I generally like to call "real
musicians", i.e., they know their axe, they know the theory, and they are
capable of transposing on the fly. Most guitarists are what I generally like
to call "wanking assholes", i.e., they know only what they've seen on MTV
about their axe, they know little or nothing about theory, and they wouldn't
know how to transpose if their lives depended on it. When you play a Bb
instrument, knowing how to transpose is almost as important as knowing how
to make a sound with the thing in the first place.

ryanm

[ryanm]

"Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in message
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>
> Why not a chromatic harp? Get those cool altered tensions. Play whole tone
and
> diminished scales over "Gimme Three Steps".
>
> Sounds fun to me.
>
The band would lynch me if the crowd didn't. Besides, those things are
hard to play.

ryanm

[ryanm]

"Ross M Stites" <stite001@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Metallica has plenty of standard tuned songs that sound just as heavy. I
> never even realized it was drop D, actually. I remember struggling to
> learn an early Van Halen tune and the key was it was in drop D.
>
Yeah, well, try telling Polly that.

> The majority of cover bands I've played with have tuned to Eb for exactly
> that reason. It's been easy though since I've only done hard rock covers,
> so it's only guitars and bass (no keys and uggh harmonicas <G>). Heck, it
> seems like most hard rock, even in the day, was played on detuned
> instruments to save the poor sings's voice. I'll confess that one of the
> things I really like about the direction of music in recent years has been
> the rise of the baritone singer over the high tenor.
>
I like the high tenor stuff, I just can't do all of it (read: most of
it). There will be no Journey or Boston tunes in our set any time soon,
although I did find my "Bonn Scott Scream" fairly recently. Conveniently, it
also translates easily to the 80's metal scream as well as a Robert
Plant-esqe kind of high range, so I've found a way to get back into some of
that stuff that I haven't been able to do since puberty. It also
conveniently added almost an octave to my voice (it's bigger than an octave
but it overlaps my lower register), which rocks, even though it's not very
useful for most music. Now I just have to get rid of the break between the
lower and higher registers.

ryanm

[Dan Stanley]

"Robert Barker" <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> news:01c35fb3$5afcaf80$b5ca580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> >
> >
> <snip>
> > Having seen Ty Tabor a few times, and having sat down and talked with
him,
> I can tell you that he is capable of all of it.
> >
> Question: Did you need a LOT of duct tape and rope to get him to sit still
> for that?

For those of you still playing at home,

Polfus:Ty Taybor :: Rupert Pupkin: ________

[Ross M Stites]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> writes:

>"Ross M Stites" <stite001@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
>news:bh5sr8$r42$1@garnet.tc.umn.edu...
>>
>> instruments to save the poor sings's voice. I'll confess that one of the
>> things I really like about the direction of music in recent years has been
>> the rise of the baritone singer over the high tenor.
>>
> I like the high tenor stuff, I just can't do all of it (read: most of
>it). There will be no Journey or Boston tunes in our set any time soon,

Well, that's probably why I like it. I can't do anything high at all, so
I never even sang in most bands I've played in. I have a fairly limited
range vocally anyway and never did work on it much just because I couldn't
sing any of the rock music out there when growing up. Now, much of the
stuff is in my natural range, so with some work I could actually sing it.
Still can't play anything more complicated than basic chording and sing at
the same time though...

>although I did find my "Bonn Scott Scream" fairly recently. Conveniently, it
>also translates easily to the 80's metal scream as well as a Robert
>Plant-esqe kind of high range, so I've found a way to get back into some of
>that stuff that I haven't been able to do since puberty. It also
>conveniently added almost an octave to my voice (it's bigger than an octave
>but it overlaps my lower register), which rocks, even though it's not very
>useful for most music. Now I just have to get rid of the break between the
>lower and higher registers.

That's cool. I'd think the Bon Scott Scream would toast the voice of most
people fairly quickly. That or the Axl Rose one...

Ross

[Atlas]

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:22:55 -0600, "ryanm"
<ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:

>"Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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>>
>> Nice "HHH" content. (Well see just how many people get that
>> joke).
>>
> Is that a Pump Up The Volume Reference? Haven't seen it in a while.

Errrrrrrrrrr!
http://raw.wwe.com/superstars/tripleh/index.html




Atlas

[Atlas]

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:25:41 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
wrote:

>For those of you still playing at home,
>
>Polfus:Ty Taybor :: Rupert Pupkin: ________

John Wayne Gacy?



aTLas

[Nobody]

Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comXXXSPAM> wrote in article <6b6gjvsgi496tjjtp4d9fedil1quuq39p7@4ax.com>...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:25:41 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >For those of you still playing at home,
> >
> >Polfus:Ty Taybor :: Rupert Pupkin: ________
>
> John Wayne Gacy?

> aTLas

Jerry........

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

ryanm <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in article <vjg6psrjpp8l88@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> news:01c36044$f0297fc0$c9c3580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> >
> > I should thank you for your trying to help and taking the time to look
> that stuff up.
> >
> > So thank you, Ryan.
> >
> Actually, it didn't take any time at all, because I knew what I was
> looking for. Behringer stuff isn't great (or even what I would call "good"),
> but for the price it's a great deal. Recording yourself and listening to it
> may well be the most useful learning tool for any instrument, and I find it
> particularly useful for vocals because the sound you hear in your head when
> you sing is not the same as the sound everyone else hears.
>
> > I wanna have something that will also allow separate, storable tracks so I
> can
> > come back to it the next day and still have it there...is there a tape
> recorder
> > you recommend that is cool that will do this? Stay away from digital
> mixers?
> >
> > And also...in the link above on Ebay for the mixer...does that thing allow
> > storage of separate tracks in it?
> >
> Now you're talking about going over the $100 range. What the above does
> is allow you to record tracks on your computer with SawPro or whatever, one
> stereo track at a time. Of course, because it's an 8 channel mixer, you can
> actually mic a complete drum kit with individual drum mics and record it all
> at once, but the output from the mixer will always be one stereo track or
> two mono tracks. So, no, no separate tracks unless you record them one at a
> time to your computer as separate wav files. The mixer doesn't store
> anything, it simply allows you to adjust the levels and eq of the signal and
> then amplify it to line level before it goes to your computer to be
> recorded. It also provides busses to add effects chains and stuff like that.
> Digital mixers, at the price level we're talking about, would only be
> excessively expensive and wouldn't offer you any benefits. ADATs are still
> available and can record multiple tracks at once, but they are still over
> $1000 and they aren't as flexible as a simple DAW setup. For the money,
> recording to your computer is the way to go. For $2000 you can get the
> Alesis HD24, which is their new replacement for the ADAT that uses a hard
> drive for storage instead of tapes. You can literally pull the hard drive
> out and put it in your computer, or you can transfer all of the files over
> to your computer, and play with them as much as you want in an editor. It
> offers 24 tracks at 24 bit and uses any standard hard disc as a storage
> medium. I'm planning to (eventually) get one of these for the band to add
> into our mixer rack, and I'll use it to record a raw board mix of every gig.
> I'll keep the good songs and throw away the bad ones (the ones with too many
> clams) and then mix them down later, add verb to the vox, etc, and then
> we'll use those for a demo instead of having to go into the studio to record
> a demo. A one-time $2000 price tag to record as much as we want as many
> times as we want sounds a lot better than paying an hourly rate to record a
> few songs.
>
> At home, this is what I do. I have a Mackie 16 channel board for the
> band that I run all of the mics/instruments into, and out of the output buss
> I run the final stereo mix of all of those instruments into the line input
> of my soundcard. For recording the whole band this works well, but it is
> essentially a one take recording like a live recording. I do all of the
> stuff I want to do to the signal at the mixer (eq, effects, etc), and I am
> really just treating my computer like a really expensive tape recorder. In
> fact, you could use any tape recorder instead of a computer, but the
> computer makes it east to convert to mp3 and stuff. However, when I want to
> record by myself I do things a little differently. I mic whatever instrument
> I'm playing and mute the other 15 channels on the mixer. I turn off all
> effects and stuff, and just record a dry signal from the mixer. I use Sonic
> Foundry Vegas to record, because it's a multitrack recorder and you can
> simply arm a new track to start recording another track, and you can record
> an unlimited number of tracks. So I record each track dry like that, and
> then use Vegas to add effects, eq, and synch up stuff that doesn't quite
> sound right. I do my mix down in Vegas and then export to a wav file, and
> then compress that wav file to an mp3 with an external mp3 codec. In this
> way I can record complete songs, layered guitar parts, 7 piece percussion
> parts, etc, although I have to do it one track at a time which has it's own
> problems. With the stuff I pointed to on ebay, you can do the same thing.
>
> ryanm

Okay...most excellent post, and thank you. I gotta look into Vegas. SawPlus32 is too hard, and not user friendly well..actually is
amazing...just too much for this guitarist sometimes..then afterwards as tracks start getting layered and fade-outs/ins, splicing,
etc...you know what I mean...at least to have a guitar in your hands and a tv monitor on at the same time..gets a little
overwhelming is all.

So I gotta find some simple deck I can put on my coffee table and have a Yamaha keyboard next to it and just plug into it and
record separate tracks, store it, and download it into something like Vegas? ..that will allow the tracks to be separated at the
computer program level to mix the song.

Does that make sense what I said?

How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?

BTW...you can be rather charming when you want to be, Ryan.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nil]

On 11 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
news:01c36060$82ab57e0$f0c8580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:

> How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?

Free. Look up LAME and/or WinLAME.

[Nil]

On 10 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
news:01c35f0d$b73c45e0$c0c5580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:

> Do me a favor and recap what it is that Jeff has done to "help me"
> as you seem to think.

I'm reading through some of this thread after being away for a few
days, but I'm gonna kill the rest because it's just about the stupidest
one I've read since the last stupid one I read, and it's making me
nauseous. But before it goes...

Jeff has shown you more respect than anyone else in this newsgroup, a
lot more respect than you have earned, and yet you repeatedly spit on
him. For every time he's offered you a friendly hand on which you
subsequently pissed, my respect for him goes up a notch and yours goes
down.

Jeff, you must be a great father to your kids. You obviously know how
to deal with with the naive brattiness of children without taking it
too personally.

[ryanm]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
news:01c36044$f0297fc0$c9c3580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
>
> I should thank you for your trying to help and taking the time to look
that stuff up.
>
> So thank you, Ryan.
>
Actually, it didn't take any time at all, because I knew what I was
looking for. Behringer stuff isn't great (or even what I would call "good"),
but for the price it's a great deal. Recording yourself and listening to it
may well be the most useful learning tool for any instrument, and I find it
particularly useful for vocals because the sound you hear in your head when
you sing is not the same as the sound everyone else hears.

> I wanna have something that will also allow separate, storable tracks so I
can
> come back to it the next day and still have it there...is there a tape
recorder
> you recommend that is cool that will do this? Stay away from digital
mixers?
>
> And also...in the link above on Ebay for the mixer...does that thing allow
> storage of separate tracks in it?
>
Now you're talking about going over the $100 range. What the above does
is allow you to record tracks on your computer with SawPro or whatever, one
stereo track at a time. Of course, because it's an 8 channel mixer, you can
actually mic a complete drum kit with individual drum mics and record it all
at once, but the output from the mixer will always be one stereo track or
two mono tracks. So, no, no separate tracks unless you record them one at a
time to your computer as separate wav files. The mixer doesn't store
anything, it simply allows you to adjust the levels and eq of the signal and
then amplify it to line level before it goes to your computer to be
recorded. It also provides busses to add effects chains and stuff like that.
Digital mixers, at the price level we're talking about, would only be
excessively expensive and wouldn't offer you any benefits. ADATs are still
available and can record multiple tracks at once, but they are still over
$1000 and they aren't as flexible as a simple DAW setup. For the money,
recording to your computer is the way to go. For $2000 you can get the
Alesis HD24, which is their new replacement for the ADAT that uses a hard
drive for storage instead of tapes. You can literally pull the hard drive
out and put it in your computer, or you can transfer all of the files over
to your computer, and play with them as much as you want in an editor. It
offers 24 tracks at 24 bit and uses any standard hard disc as a storage
medium. I'm planning to (eventually) get one of these for the band to add
into our mixer rack, and I'll use it to record a raw board mix of every gig.
I'll keep the good songs and throw away the bad ones (the ones with too many
clams) and then mix them down later, add verb to the vox, etc, and then
we'll use those for a demo instead of having to go into the studio to record
a demo. A one-time $2000 price tag to record as much as we want as many
times as we want sounds a lot better than paying an hourly rate to record a
few songs.

At home, this is what I do. I have a Mackie 16 channel board for the
band that I run all of the mics/instruments into, and out of the output buss
I run the final stereo mix of all of those instruments into the line input
of my soundcard. For recording the whole band this works well, but it is
essentially a one take recording like a live recording. I do all of the
stuff I want to do to the signal at the mixer (eq, effects, etc), and I am
really just treating my computer like a really expensive tape recorder. In
fact, you could use any tape recorder instead of a computer, but the
computer makes it east to convert to mp3 and stuff. However, when I want to
record by myself I do things a little differently. I mic whatever instrument
I'm playing and mute the other 15 channels on the mixer. I turn off all
effects and stuff, and just record a dry signal from the mixer. I use Sonic
Foundry Vegas to record, because it's a multitrack recorder and you can
simply arm a new track to start recording another track, and you can record
an unlimited number of tracks. So I record each track dry like that, and
then use Vegas to add effects, eq, and synch up stuff that doesn't quite
sound right. I do my mix down in Vegas and then export to a wav file, and
then compress that wav file to an mp3 with an external mp3 codec. In this
way I can record complete songs, layered guitar parts, 7 piece percussion
parts, etc, although I have to do it one track at a time which has it's own
problems. With the stuff I pointed to on ebay, you can do the same thing.

ryanm

[ryanm]

"Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comXXXSPAM> wrote in message
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>
> Errrrrrrrrrr!
> http://raw.wwe.com/superstars/tripleh/index.html
>
Bleh... I hate wrestling. It's a soap opera without all the acting skill
required to do soaps.

ryanm

[Gamelan]

"Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19a0e8d4be5514879897c2@news.verizon.net.. .
> bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com wrote...
> > And if someone like Ross, or miker, you, Atlas,
> > > Stanley, Robb, Andy, Kate, gamelan, Sherwood, Ryan, Thompsor, howlpie,
> > > Zorro, Tucan, Charlie, Don Evans, Jay, Nunya, (the list goes on) says
> > > something, you can pretty much know it's good info
> >
> > Here's some bad info:
> >
> > We all know about the major, melodic minor and harmonic minor being discrete
> > scales, not modes of each other. Well, in our 12 tone system, three more
scales
> > can be created from 7 notes without using consecutive half steps.
> >
> > Those scales are Harmonic major, diminished harmonic minor and diminished
> > melodic minor.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, the iii and V chords in diminished harmonic minor are
> > enharmonic inversions of the vii chord. So with diminished harmonic minor
you
> > essentially have a scale with three chords built of the 7th scale degree, if
you
> > want to describe the chords as major, minor, aug or dim. However, if you
want to
> > consider possibilities of other triads, then diminished harmonic minor has a
> > augmented diminished triad (iii+) for the third scale degree and a double
> > augmented chord (Vx) for the fifth.
>
> Just when I was thinking it was safe to go back in the water.

I'm expecting you to take notes on this, you know. ;-)

[Nil]

On 10 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
news:01c35f0d$b73c45e0$c0c5580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:

> Do me a favor and recap what it is that Jeff has done to "help me"
> as you seem to think.

I'm reading through some of this thread after being away for a few
days, but I'm gonna kill the rest because it's just about the stupidest
one I've read since the last stupid one I read, and it's making me
nauseous. But before it goes...

Jeff has shown you more respect than anyone else in this newsgroup, a
lot more respect than you have earned, and yet you repeatedly spit on
him. For every time he's offered you a friendly hand on which you
subsequently pissed, my respect for him goes up a notch and yours goes
down.

Jeff, you must be a great father to your kids. You obviously know how
to deal with with the naive brattiness of children without taking it
too personally.

[Nil]

On 10 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
news:01c35f0d$b73c45e0$c0c5580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:

> Do me a favor and recap what it is that Jeff has done to "help me"
> as you seem to think.

I'm reading through some of this thread after being away for a few
days, but I'm gonna kill the rest because it's just about the stupidest
one I've read since the last stupid one I read, and it's making me
nauseous. But before it goes...

Jeff has shown you more respect than anyone else in this newsgroup, a
lot more respect than you have earned, and yet you repeatedly spit on
him. For every time he's offered you a friendly hand on which you
subsequently pissed, my respect for him goes up a notch and yours goes
down.

Jeff, you must be a great father to your kids. You obviously know how
to deal with with the naive brattiness of children without taking it
too personally.

[ryanm]

"Ross M Stites" <stite001@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
news:bh92c5$rmp$1@garnet.tc.umn.edu...
>
> Still can't play anything more complicated than basic chording and sing at
> the same time though...
>
I can play and sing at the same time, the only problem is that I can't
really play more than strumming chords or picking simple rhythms regardles
of whether I'm singing or not. I play congas in one rhythm and sing in
another at the same time for several of the Santana songs we do, and believe
me, that's much harder than strumming while you sing. Equivalant to, maybe,
singing in 4/4 over the opening to SRV's Wall Of Denial (like he does during
the stop). I'm often playing in 3/4 or 7/8 (or other traditional latin
times) while the rest of the band is in 4/4 and we meet up at the end of the
phrase. It's not too bad until you try to sing in 4/4 along with them while
playing in 3/4. Really hurts my brain sometimes, so I just have to train the
rhythm into my hands and then just ignore them until I'm not singing, and
then I do fills and hits and stuff.

> That's cool. I'd think the Bon Scott Scream would toast the voice of most
> people fairly quickly. That or the Axl Rose one...
>
Actually, it's a completely different range, related more to my falsetto
rather than my lower register. So I could blow it out completely and my
normal singing voice would still work. Cool huh? It's also a very controlled
scream, not a barroom, drunken, top-of-your-lungs "whoooohooo" kind of
scream. It's essentially my falsetto, squeezed a bit, add a touch of
"scratchy", and put a lot more air behind it (from the diaphragm, not the
throat), and I get a pretty passable Bonn Scott. Or at least the band tells
me it's pretty good, I haven't actually had the opportunity to use it live
yet, because I won't do that until I've recorded myself doing it and heard
for myself how it sounds. When I overuse it (like I have lately because it's
fairly new and I'm still playing with it), that part of my voice wears out
relatively quickly and I have to give it 10-15 minutes to recover, but
that's only after singing several songs in a row using that range. We can
just strategically place the songs that use that range and as I get more
practice with it I'll gain more stamina in that range. It's using muscles
that haven't ever really been used much before is the problem, so I'm still
developing it. But the upside to that is that it doesn't seem to have much
affect on my other register, so regardless of how tired my voice is in that
range, I can still sing my usual stuff.

Actually, the hard part about covering AC/DC, for me, is the fact that
Bonn Scott doesn't breathe between phrases. The pitch and the "grind" he
gets are easily controllable once you know how to make your voice do what
you want, it's the number of syllables he fits into a phrase and the number
of phrases he runs together without breathing that hurts. Like, try singing
"she was a fast machine she kept her motor clean she was the best damn woman
that I've ever seen she had the sightless eye telling me no lies <breathe>
knocking me out with those American thighs..." and so on. The keyboard
player said "I can see a vein popping out on your forehead from here..." : )

ryanm

[Nil]

On 11 Aug 2003, "ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in
news:vjgdbcpv9v2h53@corp.supernews.com:

> Anywhere from free to waay too expensive. The free encoders (like
> LAME) are pretty good, but cause more artifacts than some other
> codecs (like Xing).

I've been told many times that Xing is one of the poorest sounding
mp3 compressors. This is hearsay because I've never had it to use,
but I've heard plenty of bad-sounding mp3s that I know were
Xing-ified. Which is not to say that there weren't other negative
factors.

I have used and compared both LAME and Fraunhofer - the free LAME
sounds excellent, and at least as good (actually, better, to my
ears) than the commercial Fraunhofer.

[Atlas]

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:24:51 -0600, "ryanm"
<ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:

> Bleh... I hate wrestling. It's a soap opera without all the acting skill
>required to do soaps.

Actually, you're pretty close. It's a soap opera with
violence...and LOTS AND LOTS of T&A.

You gotta love watching Goldberg dismantle people.



Atlas

[ryanm]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
news:01c36060$82ab57e0$f0c8580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
>
> Okay...most excellent post, and thank you. I gotta look into Vegas.
SawPlus32
> is too hard, and not user friendly well..actually is amazing...just too
much for
> this guitarist sometimes..then afterwards as tracks start getting layered
and
> fade-outs/ins, splicing, etc...you know what I mean...at least to have a
guitar in
> your hands and a tv monitor on at the same time..gets a little
overwhelming is all.
>
Vegas can be complex too, but the way it's laid out is similar to a
mixer, so it makes sense to me.

> So I gotta find some simple deck I can put on my coffee table and have a
> Yamaha keyboard next to it and just plug into it and record separate
tracks,
> store it, and download it into something like Vegas? ..that will allow the
> tracks to be separated at the computer program level to mix the song.
>
Steve mentioned some kind of little multitrack recorder (Roland, maybe?)
that can work kind of like you want. I haven't used it, so I can't really
vouch for it, but he recorded his rmmg cd song on it and it sounded pretty
good. I also don't know about the price.

> How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?
>
Anywhere from free to waay too expensive. The free encoders (like LAME)
are pretty good, but cause more artifacts than some other codecs (like
Xing). I use Xing because I have it and it compresses to 128k with a
relatively low amount of artifacts. Lame would probably not sound quite as
good, but at 256k the difference probably wouldn't be noticable except to
audio engineers, and it's free. It's all software, by the way, usually with
it's own interface as well as a command line compressor for using in other
applications (like Sound Forge, etc). You basically tell it which wav files
you want converted and at what bitrate you want them converted, and it
compresses them for you.

> BTW...you can be rather charming when you want to be, Ryan.
>
I do what I can...

ryanm

[Jason]

you're actually telling us that soap operas require the actors to have
skills????

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, ryanm wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:24:51 -0600
> From: ryanm <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
> Subject: Re: String Minutia
>
> "Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comXXXSPAM> wrote in message
> news:v06gjv0gbslchq2jbki5d0i69o8hdockr7@4ax.com...
> >
> > Errrrrrrrrrr!
> > http://raw.wwe.com/superstars/tripleh/index.html
> >
> Bleh... I hate wrestling. It's a soap opera without all the acting skill
> required to do soaps.
>
> ryanm
>
>
>

[Odin]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

> Now..QUESTION:
>
> I wanna have something that will also allow separate, storable tracks so
I can come back to it the next day and still have it
> there...is there a tape recorder you recommend that is cool that will do
this? Stay away from digital mixers?
>
> And also...in the link above on Ebay for the mixer...does that thing
allow storage of separate tracks in it?
>
> Explain, Spock.

$10 and no reserve, 4 separate tracks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2551093072&category=4148
0

[Odin]

"Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message

> >Is there a market for masturbation tapes?
>
> Come on, Odin. By now you should've come to the realization
> that there's a market for EVERYTHING.
>
> You could take a **** on a piece of bread, and put it up for
> sale, and some nitwit would buy it. I mean - how do you explain the
> Deftones selling any albums?

Wait...I have some stale bread...gimme 15 minutes and I'll have something
ready for ebay.

[Gamelan]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
news:vjftt1ierhgv9a@corp.supernews.com...
> "Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:bh5nid$sia$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> >
> > Why not a chromatic harp? Get those cool altered tensions. Play whole tone
> and
> > diminished scales over "Gimme Three Steps".
> >
> > Sounds fun to me.
> >
> The band would lynch me if the crowd didn't. Besides, those things are
> hard to play.

You're telling me; I play chromatic harp.

[ryanm]

"Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D4D6A218DB8nilch1@204.127.199.17...
>
> I've been told many times that Xing is one of the poorest sounding
> mp3 compressors. This is hearsay because I've never had it to use,
> but I've heard plenty of bad-sounding mp3s that I know were
> Xing-ified. Which is not to say that there weren't other negative
> factors.
>
Heh... some people don't know how to mix for mp3 compression.

ryanm

[Ross M Stites]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> writes:

>singing in 4/4 over the opening to SRV's Wall Of Denial (like he does during
>the stop). I'm often playing in 3/4 or 7/8 (or other traditional latin
>times) while the rest of the band is in 4/4 and we meet up at the end of the
>phrase. It's not too bad until you try to sing in 4/4 along with them while
>playing in 3/4. Really hurts my brain sometimes, so I just have to train the
>rhythm into my hands and then just ignore them until I'm not singing, and
>then I do fills and hits and stuff.

The timing does sound difficult. I had a very good bass player who did
the singing once and that's what he told me too: he'd have to get
something down to pure muscle reflex and then just concentrat on singing
and let his hands take care of themselves. We started off doing a bunch
of old Rush stuff, so it's not like the bass parts were simple.

> Actually, the hard part about covering AC/DC, for me, is the fact that
>Bonn Scott doesn't breathe between phrases. The pitch and the "grind" he
>gets are easily controllable once you know how to make your voice do what
>you want, it's the number of syllables he fits into a phrase and the number
>of phrases he runs together without breathing that hurts. Like, try singing
>"she was a fast machine she kept her motor clean she was the best damn woman
>that I've ever seen she had the sightless eye telling me no lies <breathe>
>knocking me out with those American thighs..." and so on. The keyboard
>player said "I can see a vein popping out on your forehead from here..." : )

Not to be too particular, but that'd actually be your Brian Johnson scream
on You Shook Me All Night Long.

Ross

[Not A Speck Of Cereal]

As "Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> so eloquently put:
[...]
[] Here's some bad info:
[]
[] We all know about the major, melodic minor and harmonic minor being discrete
[] scales, not modes of each other. Well, in our 12 tone system, three more scales
[] can be created from 7 notes without using consecutive half steps.
[]
[] Those scales are Harmonic major, diminished harmonic minor and diminished
[] melodic minor.
[]
[] Interestingly enough, the iii and V chords in diminished harmonic minor are
[] enharmonic inversions of the vii chord. So with diminished harmonic minor you
[] essentially have a scale with three chords built of the 7th scale degree, if you
[] want to describe the chords as major, minor, aug or dim. However, if you want to
[] consider possibilities of other triads, then diminished harmonic minor has a
[] augmented diminished triad (iii+) for the third scale degree and a double
[] augmented chord (Vx) for the fifth.

Nice "String Minutia" content.

Chris

ps: what was that... middle thing again?


--
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[ryanm]

"Jason" <jswells@fdn.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0308112147110.7830-100000@shell.fdn.com...
> you're actually telling us that soap operas require the actors to have
> skills????
>
More so than what passes for wrestling these days, yes.

ryanm

[Not A Speck Of Cereal]

As "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> so eloquently put:
[] Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in article <j6bfjvoockdfu6mt2u94be5p4rp1cqjeut@4ax.com>...
[]
[] > He doesn't take lessons.
[]
[] What are those?
[]
[] >He doesn't practice.
[]
[] I don't even play my guitar...why should I practice?
[]
[] >He has a rabid "anti-technique" stance.
[]
[] I'm taking shots now to clear that up.

A grand example of humility in the face of adversadudity. Bravo.

I just wish it was the norm.

Chris

--
"My current strat is actually a hollow tele."
-- Fabio
Remove X's from my email address above to reply
[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]

[Not A Speck Of Cereal]

As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:
[] "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
[]
[] > Also, I have a computer program that can record, but it sounds terrible
[] for guitar...I have SawPlus32 ( which confuses me ) and an
[] > Audio-Technica ATR-25 Stereo Condenser mic...all of $40 for that one.
[]
[] Get a Shure SM 57... That condenser will RUIN the sound. I promise. All you
[] need is a 57. 80 bucks new, 50 bucks used.

And there's other good mics, but that AT is mostly suited for other
things, like an acoustic performance, field recording, etc. Not for
guitar amp stuff.

Actually, that's a popular mic for videotography. I don't think you'll
ever find it in a studio.

Chris

--
"My current strat is actually a hollow tele."
-- Fabio
Remove X's from my email address above to reply
[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]

[Kate Ebneter]

Gamelan wrote:
>>Incidentally, the set of strings I ended up using on it are not as
>>heavy as what D'Addario sells as mandocello strings. I'm not sure
>>what the normal scale length of a mandocello is.
>>
> Well, it's certainly interesting that D'Addario is selling mandocello strings at
> all.

IIRC, they even offer mandobass sets. I've only ever seen one mandobass,
and it doesn't look like a lot of fun to play. (It's hanging on the wall
at Gryphon Stringed Instruments, in case you're wondering.)

Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys

[JMK]

"Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:<MFzZa.12016$IQ2.8446@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
>
> > All serious players know that recording and listening back to the
> > tape is the only objective way to hear how you play and what your
> > sound is like. As a serious player, I'm sure Jason already records
> > himself--since, again, that's the only way you can really be sure how
> > you sound. So, a recording of all this oughta be easy to produce.

Good Lord, yes. I've recorded solos I thought were God's own and then
heard them played back. The big red phone is ringing for me, and it's
Reality, calling collect....

>
> One would think, anyhow... Most everyone is on the CD or has clips, and you
> can tell the ones who can play that aren't on the CD just by their posts
> (IMO, just about everyone here can play well). I really hate to do this to
> Jason, but this group is in dire need of relief of all things "Polfus", and
> would like to see a more playful Jason. This may be the ONLY way to get him
> to shut up, OR get me (us) to shut up. I would LOVE to be the one to say
> "Hey man, you've come a long way. Congrats!"... And believe me, I would. I
> just can't sit here and read some of the stuff that comes out unless he can
> prove that he can do it. To me he's chalk full of excuses because he's too
> lazy to learn how to play traditionally.

I've spent the greater part of the last 5 years trying to be a better
guitarist (as opposed to a better singer/songwriter/guitarist - not
that there's anything wrong with that but I just got my head turned).
A good friend of mine came by and stayed with me for a couple of weeks
while we worked together on a project. He dragged out my Reverend and
made the goddam thing sing. I've been playing longer than he has, I
know more chords than he does, but at that moment I was sitting there
with my Strat in my lap and my jaw on the floor, going "WHAT IN THE
**** ARE YOU DOING AND HOW CAN I DO THAT???" And he showed me.

I love guitar. I love it to the point where I will listen to
whatever anyone has to say on the topic, and that's after playing
for more than 25 years. I don't contribute much lately (having to
go through Google does that to you) but I will usually read every
relevant post and try to see how that particular piece of advice
applies to me. And for that I can't thank the denizens of this
group enough.

JMK

[JMK]

Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net>...
> rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
>
> > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure they
> > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> >
> > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
>
> Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.

Chaps mine. I had to beg some time with our bassist/producer for the
recording of the clamfest I put on. You, on the other hand, had
a simple recording device and superior playing.

I believe this interpretive dance describes what I feel...

(bangs head repeatedly on keyboard...)

JMK

[JMK]

"Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<bh5o0a$b1> > His music never did anything fro me, so I never really listened to him
> > enough to think of him as a reference.
>
> Please reference "Shapes of Things" for some "mAsSiVe tOn3" content.
>

When I think of "mAsSiVe tOn3" I think of Clapton's solos on
the Bluesbreaker's album, or Scott Gorham's tone on Thin
Lizzy's "Got To Give It Up."

JMK

[JMK]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message news:<vjfud5tkk2qnac@corp.supernews.com>...
> I like the high tenor stuff, I just can't do all of it (read: most of
> it). There will be no Journey or Boston tunes in our set any time soon,
> although I did find my "Bonn Scott Scream" fairly recently.

Dammit. I had one. I guess I didn't put it back in its case.

>Conveniently, it
> also translates easily to the 80's metal scream as well as a Robert
> Plant-esqe kind of high range, so I've found a way to get back into some of
> that stuff that I haven't been able to do since puberty. It also
> conveniently added almost an octave to my voice (it's bigger than an octave
> but it overlaps my lower register), which rocks, even though it's not very
> useful for most music. Now I just have to get rid of the break between the
> lower and higher registers.

That bugs me too - I've got that. I try doing Richard and Linda
Thompson songs but the verses are all in Linda's range and the
choruses in Richard's. Sounds weird, and monotonic.

JMK

[Richard]

jkaihatu@bellsouth.net wrote...
> Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net>...
> > rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> >
> > > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure they
> > > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> > >
> > > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
> >
> > Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.
>
> Chaps mine. I had to beg some time with our bassist/producer for the
> recording of the clamfest I put on. You, on the other hand, had
> a simple recording device and superior playing.

Yeah, yeah. It was carbon-zinc batteries in the Burn Unit and echo
delay thingamabobski. Good enough for EJ, good enough for me.

> I believe this interpretive dance describes what I feel...
>
> (bangs head repeatedly on keyboard...)

Stop that! You'll break my keyboard.

--
For email, put NOT SPAM in Subject or I'll probably miss it.
<><

[ryanm]

"JMK" <jkaihatu@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:16073cbc.0308112035.55589e29@posting.google.c om...
>
> Dammit. I had one. I guess I didn't put it back in its case.
>
It's weird to find you have a voice you never knew you had. It wasn't a
"eureka!" so much as a "hey, what's this?", I just tried the right
combination one day.

> That bugs me too - I've got that. I try doing Richard and Linda
> Thompson songs but the verses are all in Linda's range and the
> choruses in Richard's. Sounds weird, and monotonic.
>
Well, some songs will never sound right with only one voice, they were
meant to be duets. Sometimes the contrast between the voices is what makes
the song work.

ryanm

[ryanm]

"Ross M Stites" <stite001@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
news:bh9ngr$8fs$1@garnet.tc.umn.edu...
>
> The timing does sound difficult. I had a very good bass player who did
> the singing once and that's what he told me too: he'd have to get
> something down to pure muscle reflex and then just concentrat on singing
> and let his hands take care of themselves. We started off doing a bunch
> of old Rush stuff, so it's not like the bass parts were simple.
>
It's fun though. Fortunately, there are only about a half-dozen basic
rhythms used in latin beats, and everything is built from those, so any song
can be played with one of those base rhythms or any of a dozen modifications
of each of those rhythms, so once I have those rhythms down I can always
drop to a simpler form of that rhythm while I'm singing. I can't imagine
having to sing while doing a unique rhythm for each song, it's just too much
to keep up with.

> Not to be too particular, but that'd actually be your Brian Johnson scream
> on You Shook Me All Night Long.
>
Oops. Whatever, they found a guy who sounded exactly like the last guy,
so he was doing a Bonn Scott imitation too. ; )

ryanm

[Gamelan]

>
> When I think of "mAsSiVe tOn3" I think of Clapton's solos on
> the Bluesbreaker's album, or Scott Gorham's tone on Thin
> Lizzy's "Got To Give It Up."


The real question is, how often do you think of "mAsSiVe tOn3" ?

Anyway, I mean Gary Moore's version of "Shapes of Things".

[Gamelan]

"Kate Ebneter" <ebneter@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3F386881.20709@ix.netcom.com...
> Gamelan wrote:
> >>Incidentally, the set of strings I ended up using on it are not as
> >>heavy as what D'Addario sells as mandocello strings. I'm not sure
> >>what the normal scale length of a mandocello is.
> >>
> > Well, it's certainly interesting that D'Addario is selling mandocello
strings at
> > all.
>
> IIRC, they even offer mandobass sets. I've only ever seen one mandobass,
> and it doesn't look like a lot of fun to play. (It's hanging on the wall
> at Gryphon Stringed Instruments, in case you're wondering.)

Well, I hear it's all the rage with the kids these days.

[Robert Barker]

"Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pRTZa.168$jw4.81@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
>
> "Robert Barker" <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in message
> news:RIQZa.245981$R92.133245@news2.central.cox.net ...
> >
> > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> > news:01c35fb3$5afcaf80$b5ca580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> > >
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > Having seen Ty Tabor a few times, and having sat down and talked with
> him,
> > I can tell you that he is capable of all of it.
> > >
> > Question: Did you need a LOT of duct tape and rope to get him to sit
still
> > for that?
>
> For those of you still playing at home,
>
> Polfus:Ty Taybor :: Rupert Pupkin: ________
>
>
Eggs Ackley.

[Robert Barker]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
news:vjfud5tkk2qnac@corp.supernews.com...
> "Ross M Stites" <stite001@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
> news:bh5sr8$r42$1@garnet.tc.umn.edu...
> >
> > Metallica has plenty of standard tuned songs that sound just as heavy.
I
> > never even realized it was drop D, actually. I remember struggling to
> > learn an early Van Halen tune and the key was it was in drop D.
> >
> Yeah, well, try telling Polly that.
>
<snip>
Uh-Oh....You better be careful, Ryan. It's pretty easy to go from 'charming'
to *aSsHoLe* with that netkook....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...'charming'...
HAHAHAHAHAHA...you schweet thing, you....

[Robert Barker]

"Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net.. .
> rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
>
> > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure they
> > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> >
> > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
>
> Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.
>
> --
> For email, put NOT SPAM in Subject or I'll probably miss it.
> <><
>
Yeah, Yeah.....Get back to me when you can get MaSsIvE ToN3, wanker......Heh
;+)

[Nobody]

ryanm <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in article <vjgdbcpv9v2h53@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> news:01c36060$82ab57e0$f0c8580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> >
> > Okay...most excellent post, and thank you. I gotta look into Vegas.
> SawPlus32
> > is too hard, and not user friendly well..actually is amazing...just too
> much for
> > this guitarist sometimes..then afterwards as tracks start getting layered
> and
> > fade-outs/ins, splicing, etc...you know what I mean...at least to have a
> guitar in
> > your hands and a tv monitor on at the same time..gets a little
> overwhelming is all.
> >
> Vegas can be complex too, but the way it's laid out is similar to a
> mixer, so it makes sense to me.
>
> > So I gotta find some simple deck I can put on my coffee table and have a
> > Yamaha keyboard next to it and just plug into it and record separate
> tracks,
> > store it, and download it into something like Vegas? ..that will allow the
> > tracks to be separated at the computer program level to mix the song.
> >
> Steve mentioned some kind of little multitrack recorder (Roland, maybe?)
> that can work kind of like you want. I haven't used it, so I can't really
> vouch for it, but he recorded his rmmg cd song on it and it sounded pretty
> good. I also don't know about the price.
>
> > How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?
> >
> Anywhere from free to waay too expensive. The free encoders (like LAME)
> are pretty good, but cause more artifacts than some other codecs (like
> Xing). I use Xing because I have it and it compresses to 128k with a
> relatively low amount of artifacts. Lame would probably not sound quite as
> good, but at 256k the difference probably wouldn't be noticable except to
> audio engineers, and it's free. It's all software, by the way, usually with
> it's own interface as well as a command line compressor for using in other
> applications (like Sound Forge, etc). You basically tell it which wav files
> you want converted and at what bitrate you want them converted, and it
> compresses them for you.
>
> > BTW...you can be rather charming when you want to be, Ryan.
> >
> I do what I can...
>
> ryanm

Thanks again, Ryan.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in article <Xns93D4C7C53AE07nilch1@63.240.76.16>...
> On 11 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
> news:01c36060$82ab57e0$f0c8580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:
>
> > How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?
>
> Free. Look up LAME and/or WinLAME.

Thank you.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Odin]

"Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX>
wrote in message

> [] > He doesn't take lessons.
> []
> [] What are those?
> []
> [] >He doesn't practice.
> []
> [] I don't even play my guitar...why should I practice?
> []
> [] >He has a rabid "anti-technique" stance.
> []
> [] I'm taking shots now to clear that up.
>
> A grand example of humility in the face of adversadudity.
Bravo.
>
> I just wish it was the norm.

An example of a patient taking his meds.

I just wish it was the norm.

[RC Moonpie]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:38:18 GMT, Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote:

>On 11 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
>news:01c36060$82ab57e0$f0c8580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:
>
>> How much is a wav-convert-to-mp3 external mp3 codec thing?
>
>Free. Look up LAME and/or WinLAME.



thanks.

Ryan, yer Sonic Foundry Vegas thing sounds exactly like what i was
thinking of trying. I've got the Mackie 16 channel as well and to make
demos of tunes for my band, i've been just playing and singing them
live, into a casette recorder. Now they got all fancy pantsed and want
me to email them mp3s. frick. This idea of yours might work fine. Can
you cut and paste within each individual track?

also, what line out of the mackie do you use into your pooters
soundcard? any converter or anything, or just straight in?

[RC Moonpie]

On 11 Aug 2003 21:29:15 -0700, jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote:


Scott Gorham's tone on Thin
>Lizzy's "Got To Give It Up."



he was amazing. that solo on Romeo and the Lonely Girl is fantastic.
whatever happened to that guy?

[RC Moonpie]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:10:44 -0600, "ryanm"
<ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:

>"Gamelan" <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in message
>news:bh5nid$sia$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
>>
>> Why not a chromatic harp? Get those cool altered tensions. Play whole tone
>and
>> diminished scales over "Gimme Three Steps".
>>
>> Sounds fun to me.
>>
> The band would lynch me if the crowd didn't.



you could charge extra.

[Atlas]

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On 11 Aug 2003 21:14:54 -0700, jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote:

>A good friend of mine came by and stayed with me for a couple of weeks
>while we worked together on a project. He dragged out my Reverend and
>made the goddam thing sing. I've been playing longer than he has, I
>know more chords than he does, but at that moment I was sitting there
>with my Strat in my lap and my jaw on the floor, going "WHAT IN THE
>**** ARE YOU DOING AND HOW CAN I DO THAT???" And he showed me.

Well? What did he say??



Atlas

[Richard]

rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net.. .
> > rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> >
> > > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure they
> > > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> > >
> > > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
> >
> > Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.
>
> Yeah, Yeah.....Get back to me when you can get MaSsIvE ToN3, wanker......Heh
> ;+)

No time soon, bro. It's a Strat into a SWR "Workingman's 10" bass
amp, these days. Farthest thing from MaSsIvE.

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[Jason]

more like an example of sarcasm

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Odin wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:57:05 -0500
> From: Odin <res0jmoj@verizon.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
> Subject: Re: String Minutia
>
>
> "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX>
> wrote in message
>
> > [] > He doesn't take lessons.
> > []
> > [] What are those?
> > []
> > [] >He doesn't practice.
> > []
> > [] I don't even play my guitar...why should I practice?
> > []
> > [] >He has a rabid "anti-technique" stance.
> > []
> > [] I'm taking shots now to clear that up.
> >
> > A grand example of humility in the face of adversadudity.
> Bravo.
> >
> > I just wish it was the norm.
>
> An example of a patient taking his meds.
>
> I just wish it was the norm.
>
>
>

[Road Warrior]

"Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> Yes, but can you get some pussy with that info?

That and some leather pants could get you close... But ONLY close...

Jeff

[Road Warrior]

"John S. Shinal" <jshinal_REMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Some people just aren't *worth* being nice to, kudos to Jeff
> for being as nice as possible anyway.

I AM proof positive that there's more than one asshole around here!

Jeff

[Road Warrior]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Liberatore <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in article
<%HFZa.23805$dO2.9471@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...

> > Get a Shure SM 57...

> I don't know too much about recording like I want to, but that's always
been my fave mike, aside from a >Neuman for ambient stuff.

"Neumann"... And keep the A/T for ambience if you want to start fooling
around... Try it in mono first tho... Otherwise it could get ugly man.

> >That condenser will RUIN the sound. I promise.

> Is that what it is? Damn...I didn't wanna say anything
because..well..people freak here...

Condensers hear WAY too much high end for crunch guitar. I would have been
all over that if someone "freaked out"... I'm NOT against you man... I'm
just FOR what's right and what's good no matter who's saying it, and when
I'm sure of what I'm saying (usually)...

> Anyway..I thought I sounded terrible when I recorded my stuff using what I
described ( ATR-25 straight >into the computer )...so it
> wasn't very luring to record myself when I know I didn't sound like the
..wav file.

Gotcha! Been there.

> >All you need is a 57. 80 bucks new, 50 bucks used.
> > Jeff

> Thank you.

No biggie...

Just so you know, I'm not here to just have arguments and stuff with you
man... Other things get my attention as well... I'm all good iNdEeD...

> Now..I just have to figure out what to plug it in to.

> How about helping me with *that*!

Well... Ryans reply (I've read it already... he's smart and stuff...) is a
good start... You need to amplify the mic (mic pre)...

> P.S. If I was in front of you, and not on the goddamn computer, I would
have a 180 degree turnaround >and pay attention to you and
> watch what you did playing. I would soak it up like a sponge, and use what
I could. We would play, and >you would see that perhaps,
> perhaps not, I could "hang" with no problem...or not...doesn't matter.

Honestly... It would NOT matter... But I would answer EVERY question that
you would ask without hesitation if indeed I knew the answer, because that's
the kind of person I REALLY am... Not an arguing flame throwing idiot...
Jason... I just want to "share" experiences with people. I'm happy to share
with you...

> I would pay attention to all that you knew and try to learn
> it as quick as I could. And I would try to teach you how to do with your
fingers what you have to do with >your whammy bar.

Actually, I have a good vibrato, that sounds like my trem vibrato.

> Point is I can't, and don't, learn how to PLAY by reading a newsgroup.

I understand... But at times you can take some advice from an old pro
grandpa type who still plays all the time and gets asked to play other gigs
a lot because of, well, just because he can... Because really, he's a good
guy and wants to help.

> I mean...pretend I knew only those few notes I played for you on the phone
while you were playing your >Strat with the whammy bar
> and Vox AC15 and Marshall:

OK...

> If we were playing a tune, and you played bass for example...you start a
killer groove with the drummer...and the beat and measures
> are established and I come in with ..say...two notes with a whippin'
vibrato on them ( think The Police or something )...and it
> sounds COOL as hell for the SONG we are doing. You love it. I love it. The
drummer is smiling. We're jamming all of a sudden.
> Singer gives the lyrics..and hit "record" and go from there.

> Then...let's say someone comes in and grabs my guitar...and starts with a
flurry of harmonic minor runs and alternating major scale
> runs back and forth...and its overwhelming and inappropriate and doesn't
fit the GROOVE you had already established ( think Yngvie
> playing with The Beatles )..you're like "woah, dude.."...and the **** hits
the fan because this player thinks that all that should
> be incorporated into a song.

OK... But he'd get kicked out real fast tho! Basically because it would be
pretty obvious that he was clueless...

> Then I grab my guitar back...we start back on the killer groove...and I
throw those two killer notes with a >schweet vibrato on them
> out..and we start jammin' again like it was.

> Am I still considered a guitarist in your eyes?

Of course! My only deal is that I hate arguing with you when I know I'm
right.

But are you a "musician" yet? I don't know... IMO, that means being
sympathetic to what's going on around you, and you don't have to be a great
guitar player to be an excellent musician that plays guitar... Indeed. Are
you THAT? well, sometimes you ACT like that and stuff, and well, I know
people that fit the "musician" thing better than you OR me... If you see
where I coming from.

> I just want to know what you think, and if you realize that its really all
about doing only ONE thing:

> Making music.

SM 57, mic preamp... Guitar and amp... You can do it... I'll even help you
get it started...

Jeff

[NeilH011]

>Condensers hear WAY too much high end for crunch guitar.

Not if you're using them for some ambient room sound - if you're trying to
stick them nose-first into the speaker cone, yeah, but if you want to go back a
few feet & blend a little bit of it in with a -57 or 421 (or whatever your
favorite dynamic for e-guitar is), then a good-quality LDC is the way to go
(IMO, YMMV, etc).

You gotta have a good-sounding room, though, for it to make a difference...
doesn't have to be a "studio" room, just a room with a good overall sound that
works with that particular mic. There's a fine line between "sucks" and "rUleZ"
when it comes to using ambient micing.

NeilH

[Nobody]

Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article <bhc2b1$106s2c$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
> "John S. Shinal" <jshinal_REMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:3f3b9de5.524691742@text-east.newsfeeds.com...
>
> > Some people just aren't *worth* being nice to, kudos to Jeff
> > for being as nice as possible anyway.
>
> I AM proof positive that there's more than one asshole around here!
>
> Jeff

Listen..I apologize Jeff for being defensive. Sometimes it would be nice to hear a voice so I could hear the honest intent instead
of mistaking a post for ..well..it doesn't matter...I said some asshole things to get you back for what I perceived as insults.

Yet as always...you and I never get *personal*...we just will state our opinions and even get rough...I know how it is...but I
don't like fighting with you, and I definitely care if you like me or not.

I am glad we can discuss ****, fuss, and still be friends...that really is a friend IMHO.

Hugs and all that,

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article <bhc51q$1036er$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>
> "Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:rnafjv001bl4299om6ceulna3dt50b9eop@4ax.com...
>
> > >I can understand someone not wanting to do the lesson regimen thing. I
> hated
> > >it. The attitude thig is a given.
>
> Really, I CAN spell... I just can't ****ing type!

Great name for a band:

Thig


--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Road Warrior]

"Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:rnafjv001bl4299om6ceulna3dt50b9eop@4ax.com...

> >I can understand someone not wanting to do the lesson regimen thing. I
hated
> >it. The attitude thig is a given.

Really, I CAN spell... I just can't ****ing type!

> The lesson thing is (for most people) the fastest way to get
> better. It provides a framework and a method of obtaining the most
> basic and fundamental skills one needs.

I couldn't agree more... Problem is, that there's people like me who hated
learning ANYthing conventionally... That's why I can argue with Polfus one
minute and almost forgive him the next. He's as dumb about **** as I was!
Except I was that guitar dumb when I was 19 and he doesn't have that much
time!!!!

> I'm not saying that you need 30 years of intense classical or
> jazz instruction. But everyone can benefit from learning proper left
> and right hand technique, learning how to build up some chops,
> learning about chords..how to turn scales into melodic lines, etc...

If *I* could go back... I would do that... Now that I know that I could be
where I am now 15 yers ago! But I don't know if I'd be writing music...
Hmmmm... In all honesty, I think I'm happy with how I got to this place I'm
at (musically)... I'm not that great, but I feel as though I can do whatever
I "need" to do to complete a musical idea now and still play it well enough
that it sounds "professional"... If that makes any sense.

> The information is out there. Why try to re-invent the wheel?

Zactly... Great point... Just remember, some of us aren't that good at
learning that way. I have total respect for those of you who can...
Seriously! "Admiration" may be a better word.

> >He can play some... I've heard a note or two on the phone. He had a nice
> >vibrato.. But still only played a few notes. I think he has the
potential,
> >but going about it bass ackwards... But what do I know?

> My three year old could probably bang out a note or two. And
> she isn't half as argumentative as he is.

He's calming down now... Thank god...

> >Lemme tell something little atlas... Girls like to "touch" leather
pants...
> >Nuff said...

> I'm telling your wife.

Well, in that case... What was it you needed again? 50 bucks? 100? ;-)

Jeff

[Nobody]

Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article <bhc5np$10oufg$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> I have often compared the two ;-) Deep down Jason is a decent guy... But
> at my age, and him being in his 30's and never married,

Aaarggg..I'm 38 and engaged...close but no cigar I guess.

>AND the fact that I have an 18 and 15 year old??? He IS still a kid to me...

Well...I see what you mean, and I have to agree really..I won't know until I do get a kid.


--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Road Warrior]

"Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D4C85F0B5E6nilch1@63.240.76.16...
> On 10 Aug 2003, "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in
> news:01c35f0d$b73c45e0$c0c5580c@715162529worldnet. att.net:

> I'm reading through some of this thread after being away for a few
> days, but I'm gonna kill the rest because it's just about the stupidest
> one I've read since the last stupid one I read, and it's making me
> nauseous. But before it goes...

Nil (and I know your real name)... I should have just drank a beer before I
starting posting to this thread...

(snipping the nice words of a very smart guy who has helped me a few times
in the past)...

> Jeff, you must be a great father to your kids. You obviously know how
> to deal with with the naive brattiness of children without taking it
> too personally.

I have often compared the two ;-) Deep down Jason is a decent guy... But
at my age, and him being in his 30's and never married, AND the fact that I
have an 18 and 15 year old??? He IS still a kid to me...

It's OK man...

I need you address, BTW... Please email me at jliberatATcolumbus.rr.com

Jeff

[Nobody]

Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article <bhc51q$1036er$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> I couldn't agree more... Problem is, that there's people like me who hated
> learning ANYthing conventionally... That's why I can argue with Polfus one
> minute and almost forgive him the next. He's as dumb about **** as I was!

Please don't call me "Polfus", and especially don't say I'm "dumb about ****"....that's not really nice, man.

> Except I was that guitar dumb when I was 19 and he doesn't have that much time!!!!

Please ease up, my friend, and realize that I enjoy playing very much, Jeff.

And you allude to a reason why I am doing my own thing because it makes me happy, I don't plan on being on stage with other
guitarists doing traditional stuff, and I don't have the damn 15 years time to spend learning of people's songs.

I don't plan on being a superstar...just wanna rock out in the tradition of Soundgarden, King's, NINs, Deftones, etc..

> I'm not saying that you need 30 years of intense classical or
> > jazz instruction. But everyone can benefit from learning proper left
> > and right hand technique, learning how to build up some chops,
> > learning about chords..how to turn scales into melodic lines, etc...

And for the love of all things Holy....please read that I am telling you that I do "practice" this daily.

Please tell me you read what I just said, and that you will change your mind and understand that I have been asking theory
questions here in the past, how to resolve back to the root, asked for scales other than the many I listed..

When I play sitting down, for example, I hold my Les Paul in the classical positon, and because I started off this way being very
conscious of my playing position, hand positions, and chops, picking, strumming, etc..all of it...now I don't really feel the need
to think about it because its already pretty solid in my subconscious.

I hope that made sense...just quit assuming that I don't "practice" my chops, scales, chord shapes, etc..

Please..I'll wax your car if you just quit saying that!

I'll clean my room..I swear!

I'll take the trash out and dust!

Just quit thinking I'm sitting here being a dropped tune kid...I try to play Beck-like on Blow By Blow all the way to Wes
Montgomery type octave stuff...and everything else that's in my head.

> If *I* could go back... I would do that... Now that I know that I could be
> where I am now 15 yers ago! But I don't know if I'd be writing music...
> Hmmmm... In all honesty, I think I'm happy with how I got to this place I'm
> at (musically)... I'm not that great, but I feel as though I can do whatever
> I "need" to do to complete a musical idea now and still play it well enough
> that it sounds "professional"... If that makes any sense.

Does to me...you just want the chance somehow and any way you can think of to make music and record your ideas into final works of
art called SONGS.

> Zactly... Great point... Just remember, some of us aren't that good at
> learning that way. I have total respect for those of you who can...
> Seriously! "Admiration" may be a better word.

I think learning other people's songs is a SUPERB way to learn.

Its just not the only way for ME.


--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Odin]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message

> Here are a few examples of what I have done one track at a time with
a
> mixer and Vegas.
>
> http://www.horsefish.net/audio/dont%20think%20twice.mp3

Hey, I just "posted a clip". Not an electric guitar clip, but a rare
moment of me hacking away at an acoustic. Sad.

[Nobody]

Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article <bhc3ua$1065i8$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> > > Get a Shure SM 57...
>
> > I don't know too much about recording like I want to, but that's always
> been my fave mike, aside from a >Neuman for ambient stuff.
>
> "Neumann"...

Aaargg..sorry.

>And keep the A/T for ambience if you want to start fooling
> around... Try it in mono first tho... Otherwise it could get ugly man.

I should just stick with a SM57 for now...good enough and don't need to get too complicated at first.

>That condenser will RUIN the sound. I promise.

> Condensers hear WAY too much high end for crunch guitar. I would have been
> all over that if someone "freaked out"... I'm NOT against you man... I'm
> just FOR what's right and what's good no matter who's saying it, and when
> I'm sure of what I'm saying (usually)...

Well I believe you, bro!

> > Anyway..I thought I sounded terrible when I recorded my stuff using what I
> described ( ATR-25 straight >into the computer )...so it
> > wasn't very luring to record myself when I know I didn't sound like the
> .wav file.
>
> Gotcha! Been there.

Cool...glad you understand!

> >All you need is a 57. 80 bucks new, 50 bucks used.
> > > Jeff
>
> > Thank you.
>
> No biggie...

> Just so you know, I'm not here to just have arguments and stuff with you
> man... Other things get my attention as well... I'm all good iNdEeD...>

I know.

> Honestly... It would NOT matter... But I would answer EVERY question that
> you would ask without hesitation if indeed I knew the answer, because that's
> the kind of person I REALLY am...

And again..I do know this, Jeff.

>Not an arguing flame throwing idiot...

That's my job.

Heh.

> Jason... I just want to "share" experiences with people. I'm happy to share with you...

Please do share..I just need to pay closer attention, and take advice for what its worth.

And I will chill the **** out and try to not be such a defensive dick.

> > I would pay attention to all that you knew and try to learn
> > it as quick as I could. And I would try to teach you how to do with your
> fingers what you have to do with >your whammy bar.
>
> Actually, I have a good vibrato, that sounds like my trem vibrato.

Cool...I thought I remember you were having some trouble making the ..well..I'm wrong so forget it.

> Point is I can't, and don't, learn how to PLAY by reading a newsgroup.

> I understand...

Awesome...I knew you would, Jeff.

>But at times you can take some advice from an old pro
> grandpa type who still plays all the time and gets asked to play other gigs
> a lot because of, well, just because he can... Because really, he's a good
> guy and wants to help.

You are a good guy..I just took offense because you were telling me what wouldn't work..and I didn't know how to explain that I DO
make it work somehow.

I know you're trying to help, but I'm okay with the playing, set-up, tuning aspect of it all.

> OK... But he'd get kicked out real fast tho! Basically because it would be pretty obvious that he was clueless...

Exactly!

Its not what you know, but *how you use it* !!!

That's my basic stance on ANYONE that plays ANY instrument, is all.

> Of course! My only deal is that I hate arguing with you when I know I'm right.

Okay..I'm going to just back off and let it go.

Maybe if we can get together some day we'll see how each other plays...that would be cool.

But for now, realize please that I have no complaints with my action, tuning, dynamics, tone, etc...I've worked hard to get it to
what *I* want.

And you are still right too...not taking anything away from you here, Jeff.

> But are you a "musician" yet? I don't know... IMO, that means being
> sympathetic to what's going on around you,

Oh you got that right, my friend.

>and you don't have to be a great guitar player to be an excellent musician that plays guitar... Indeed. Are you THAT?

I can't really answer that question about myself, Jeff.

But I try to be, Jeff...please remember that I have been playing music, even though it was as a drummer to start with, and around
musicians for about 20 years...I used to grab their guitars whenever I could during smoke breaks back when I was even 17.

Do you realize that?

>well, sometimes you ACT like that and stuff, and well, I know people that fit the "musician" thing better than you OR me... If you
see where I coming from.>

Yeah, I think so.

> SM 57, mic preamp... Guitar and amp... You can do it... I'll even help you
> get it started...
>
> Jeff

And I'll be reading what you have to say.

Thanks again...good talking with you.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[ryanm]

"RC Moonpie" <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ryan, yer Sonic Foundry Vegas thing sounds exactly like what i was
> thinking of trying.
>
It's a bit pricey, but I can get you a "demo" if you want. Email me:
ryanmATdallasDOTnet

> I've got the Mackie 16 channel as well and to make
> demos of tunes for my band, i've been just playing and singing them
> live, into a casette recorder. Now they got all fancy pantsed and want
> me to email them mp3s. frick. This idea of yours might work fine. Can
> you cut and paste within each individual track?
>
As long as you are doing it one track at a time you can do whatever you
want with the track. If you're talking about mixing down the whole band to a
single stereo track and playing with that in Vegas, then yeah, you can cut
and paste, add eq and effects, etc, but you can't fiddle with the individual
tracks because all you have is the one track.

> also, what line out of the mackie do you use into your pooters
> soundcard? any converter or anything, or just straight in?
>
You can use any output buss, I usually either use the main outs or the
tape out.

Here are a few examples of what I have done one track at a time with a
mixer and Vegas.

http://www.horsefish.net/audio/dont%20think%20twice.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/downshift.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/dark4.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/blues#2_8.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/despues2.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/new%20exodus2.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/not_enough_2.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/soothe.mp3
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/rooster.mp3

They're crap, I can't play guitar or drums, and most of them are mixed
poorly, but you can hear what you need to hear, and that's the important
thing. It'll never be studio quality at home, but you can get good enough
results for a quickie demo, for hearing how you sound, or to record an idea
to remember or to show others later.

ryanm

[Nobody]

ryanm <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in article <vjj95dhl3e9md1@corp.supernews.com>...

>
> Here are a few examples of what I have done one track at a time with a
> mixer and Vegas.

> http://www.horsefish.net/audio/downshift.mp3

Heh..that one cracks me up.

Actually...you sound pretty cool on that I have to admit...rockin' little tune.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[ryanm]

"Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hey, I just "posted a clip". Not an electric guitar clip, but a rare
> moment of me hacking away at an acoustic. Sad.
>
Yeah, lack of mic choices left it a bit bass heavy, but I thought the
performance was pretty good. There's a bit of Aron, Chris, Stone, and Lee in
there too (not on that song, but between all of them).

ryanm

[ryanm]

"ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.horsefish.net/audio/blues#2_8.mp3
>
http://www.horsefish.net/audio/blues2_8.mp3

Sorry, # didn't work in a url.

ryanm

[ryanm]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
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>
> > http://www.horsefish.net/audio/downshift.mp3
>
> Heh..that one cracks me up.
>
> Actually...you sound pretty cool on that I have to admit...rockin' little
tune.
>
I need a double bass pedal for those drums, it's begging for some double
bass. Oh, and a bass player instead of me. I did that one track at a time,
which is my excuse for the poor time... ; )

ryanm

[Robert Barker]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
news:01c36146$27f6da40$faa1580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
>
<snip>
> Aaarggg..I'm 38 and engaged...close but no cigar I guess.
<snip>
I'm guessing that even the Episcopalians might have some qualms about
performing a wedding between a man and his inflatable...'Do you, Polfus,
promise to faithfully patch, wipe down, replace batteries, and keep at 115
psi, etc'....heh...;+)

> Well...I see what you mean, and I have to agree really..I won't know until
I do get a kid.

They'll eat *anything*, and, you could name it....Vinyl...;+)

> --
> Jason
> http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
>

[Robert Barker]

"Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19a2dae2979cd0bd9897cb@news.verizon.net.. .
> rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net.. .
> > > rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> > >
> > > > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure
they
> > > > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
> > >
> > > Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.
> >
> > Yeah, Yeah.....Get back to me when you can get MaSsIvE ToN3,
wanker......Heh
> > ;+)
>
> No time soon, bro. It's a Strat into a SWR "Workingman's 10" bass
> amp, these days. Farthest thing from MaSsIvE.
>
> --
> For email, put NOT SPAM in Subject or I'll probably miss it.
> <><
>
Huh??? Blasphemy!!!! That's it, man. You're outta the 'Manic Metal Mavens'
for good, this time.....;+)

[Nobody]

Robert Barker <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in article <mbr_a.252680$R92.162557@news2.central.cox.net>...
> "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> news:01c36146$27f6da40$faa1580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> >
> <snip>
> > Aaarggg..I'm 38 and engaged...close but no cigar I guess.
> <snip>

> I'm guessing that even the Episcopalians might have some qualms about performing a wedding between a man and his inflatable...

Not if you get the Man drunk enough first on wine...

>'Do you, Polfus,

No..it's 'Do you, Nobo..err..Strato..err..Subw...err..you, son.....yeah...you right there! "

> promise to faithfully patch, wipe down, replace batteries,

She performs better with Eric Johnson Alkaline's.

>and keep at 115 psi, etc'....heh...;+)

That's too much psi, my man...I check it regularly and it's no where near that much.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[RC Moonpie]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:41:17 -0600, "ryanm"
<ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:

>"RC Moonpie" <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qgvhjvg0j6h62fht768bfr18masblu9s9p@4ax.com...
>>
>> Ryan, yer Sonic Foundry Vegas thing sounds exactly like what i was
>> thinking of trying.
>>
> It's a bit pricey, but I can get you a "demo" if you want. Email me:
>ryanmATdallasDOTnet


I looked on Ebay first, yeah, pricey. Our bass player has a copy of
Acid, in addition to Vegas, and he says Acid will do the "one track at
a time time" thing too, in a basic way. Acid wont let you record more
than one track live, at a time, i dont think, but one track at a time
is all I need. Anyway, if i like it, I'll probly just buy a version of
Acid.

thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and hopefully will steer me
in a direction that i wanted to go.

[RC Moonpie]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:35 -0600, "ryanm"
<ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:



> I did that one track at a time,
>which is my excuse for the poor time... ; )
>


Johnny Cash:

I built it
one part at a time
and it didnt cost me a dime

[RC Moonpie]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:02:06 GMT, "Nobody"
<nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:



>
>Please don't call me "Polfus", and especially don't say I'm "dumb about ****"....that's not really nice, man.


who are you to complain about being insulted or not being treated
nicely on here? Half of your posts to other people are insulting.

do unto others etc

[Nobody]

RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <trhkjvshtk7akpv1d6ak8lao3ovt2d0iik@4ax.com>...

> thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and hopefully will steer me
> in a direction that i wanted to go.

Just don't go in all directions at once...

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <06ikjv4ih7qfioivlu4dukrq7kmu12v2ud@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:02:06 GMT, "Nobody"
> <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >Please don't call me "Polfus", and especially don't say I'm "dumb about ****"....that's not really nice, man.
>
>
> who are you to complain about being insulted or not being treated
> nicely on here? Half of your posts to other people are insulting.
>
> do unto others etc

Why don't you go ahead and set an example?

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Robert Barker]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
news:01c361a5$52cef9a0$90ca580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
>
>
> Robert Barker <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in article
<mbr_a.252680$R92.162557@news2.central.cox.net>...
> > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
> > news:01c36146$27f6da40$faa1580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > Aaarggg..I'm 38 and engaged...close but no cigar I guess.
> > <snip>
>
> > I'm guessing that even the Episcopalians might have some qualms about
performing a wedding between a man and his inflatable...
>
> Not if you get the Man drunk enough first on wine...
>
> >'Do you, Polfus,
>
> No..it's 'Do you, Nobo..err..Strato..err..Subw...err..you,
son.....yeah...you right there! "
>
> > promise to faithfully patch, wipe down, replace batteries,
>
> She performs better with Eric Johnson Alkaline's.
>
> >and keep at 115 psi, etc'....heh...;+)
>
> That's too much psi, my man...I check it regularly and it's no where near
that much.
>
> --
> Jason
> http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
>
I'm extremely pleased to note that you took that in the spirit in which it
was intended.....I *was* just 'rasslin' with ya, bro....;+)

[Robert Barker]

"Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19a2dae2979cd0bd9897cb@news.verizon.net.. .
> rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.19a1a4518ebb484a9897c6@news.verizon.net.. .
> > > rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...
> > >
> > > > You're a nefarious cotributor...everyone knows that, and I'm sure
they
> > > > didn't expect anything less....Heh. ;+)
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Your cotribution sounded pretty darn good to me, though! ;+)
> > >
> > > Sony Walkman on the other side of the room, babee! Chaps your ass.
> >
> > Yeah, Yeah.....Get back to me when you can get MaSsIvE ToN3,
wanker......Heh
> > ;+)
>
> No time soon, bro. It's a Strat into a SWR "Workingman's 10" bass
> amp, these days. Farthest thing from MaSsIvE.
>
> --
> For email, put NOT SPAM in Subject or I'll probably miss it.
> <><
>
Speaking of 'ToN3', weren't you waiting on some new pickups? Did you get 'em
yet? Are they 'in'? How do they sound? Annoying wankers want to know!!!! ;+)

[RC Moonpie]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:22:47 GMT, "Nobody"
<nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:

>
>
>RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <trhkjvshtk7akpv1d6ak8lao3ovt2d0iik@4ax.com>...
>
>> thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and hopefully will steer me
>> in a direction that i wanted to go.
>
>Just don't go in all directions at once...


how about against the grain?

can I go that way?

[RC Moonpie]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:23:35 GMT, "Nobody"
<nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:



>> do unto others etc
>
>Why don't you go ahead and set an example?


Would you follow it if i did?

[Odin]

"RC Moonpie" <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >> thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and
hopefully will steer me
> >> in a direction that i wanted to go.
> >
> >Just don't go in all directions at once...
>
>
> how about against the grain?
>
> can I go that way?

Always with the insults, my man.

[Nobody]

RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <lukkjvoll926le7t47lcugjrb63q70gbm2@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:22:47 GMT, "Nobody"
> <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <trhkjvshtk7akpv1d6ak8lao3ovt2d0iik@4ax.com>...
> >
> >> thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and hopefully will steer me
> >> in a direction that i wanted to go.
> >
> >Just don't go in all directions at once...
>
>
> how about against the grain?
>
> can I go that way?

Only if you slingshot yo' ass in the right direction.

Didn't you get the memo?

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <lukkjvoll926le7t47lcugjrb63q70gbm2@4ax.com>...

> >
> >RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <trhkjvshtk7akpv1d6ak8lao3ovt2d0iik@4ax.com>...
> >
> >> thanks anyway.. your info was very helpful and hopefully will steer me
> >> in a direction that i wanted to go.
> >
> >Just don't go in all directions at once...
>
>
> how about against the grain?
>
> can I go that way?

Actually...you'll have to ask Dan Stanley first for permission on that one.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

RC Moonpie <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in article <qvkkjvkvgb0kvgbiqcgpa30bkah8t3poi3@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:23:35 GMT, "Nobody"
> <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> do unto others etc
> >
> >Why don't you go ahead and set an example?
>
>
> Would you follow it if i did?

U2 cues up:

"I will follow...I will..FOLLOW!"

Pardon...

Damn..now its Ringo coming in..

"What would you do if I set an exam-ple, would you stand up and not walk out on me?"

Damn..how do I shut this thing off?

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Nobody]

Robert Barker <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in article <5Sr_a.252702$R92.199957@news2.central.cox.net>...

> I'm extremely pleased to note that you took that in the spirit in which it
> was intended.....I *was* ju..



Shut up.*




--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs





*( I'm kidding )

[Robert Barker]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Robert Barker <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in article
<5Sr_a.252702$R92.199957@news2.central.cox.net>...
>
> > I'm extremely pleased to note that you took that in the spirit in which
it
> > was intended.....I *was* ju..
>
>
>
> Shut up.*
>
>
> --
> Jason
> http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
>
>
>
>
>
> *( I'm kidding )
>
Oh, great. Just when I had a *nuclear* retort, all ready to go, and
everything.....dang!!! Guess I'll have to save it, now....sheesh....;+)*










*Me too.

[Jeff Liberatore]

"Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
news:e6i_a.6280$wg6.757@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...

http://www.horsefish.net/audio/dont%20think%20twice.mp3

> Hey, I just "posted a clip". Not an electric guitar clip, but a rare
> moment of me hacking away at an acoustic. Sad.

VERY nice Odin...

Jeff

[Jeff Liberatore]

"Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
news:01c36147$3be15020$faa1580c@715162529worldnet. att.net...

> Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote in article
<bhc51q$1036er$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> > I couldn't agree more... Problem is, that there's people like me who
hated
> > learning ANYthing conventionally... That's why I can argue with Polfus
one
> > minute and almost forgive him the next. He's as dumb about **** as I
was!

> Please don't call me "Polfus", and especially don't say I'm "dumb about
****"....that's not really nice, man.

Dude... Read it again... I called me "dumb about ****" too... And you are at
times... Just like me... As far as being called Polfus, don't act like him
and I will refer to you as Jason...

> > I'm not saying that you need 30 years of intense classical or
> > > jazz instruction. But everyone can benefit from learning proper left
> > > and right hand technique, learning how to build up some chops,
> > > learning about chords..how to turn scales into melodic lines, etc...

> And for the love of all things Holy....please read that I am telling you
that I do "practice" this daily.

I didn't write that!


> Please tell me you read what I just said, and that you will change your
mind and understand that I have >been asking theory
> questions here in the past, how to resolve back to the root, asked for
scales other than the many I listed..

Yes... I am reading it.

> I hope that made sense...just quit assuming that I don't "practice" my
chops, scales, chord shapes, etc..

I didn't assume that... But I didn't write that blurb either.

> Please..I'll wax your car if you just quit saying that!

Say what?

> I'll clean my room..I swear!

> I'll take the trash out and dust!

You're cool... I didn't say that up there.

But clean that room and get a haircut anyway. It's looking kinda' shabby
bro.

> Does to me...you just want the chance somehow and any way you can think of
to make music and record >your ideas into final works of
> art called SONGS.

That's how *I* gauge my progress with music in general. I feel it makes me a
better "musician", and at the same time a better guitarist.

> I think learning other people's songs is a SUPERB way to learn.

> Its just not the only way for ME.

Just happens to also be a good way to find others to play with. Even tho you
might do an original thing, most guys that get together to jam and see if
there's any chemistry and start with a blues jam (or SOMEthing), then move
onto a few covers just to see if there's any chemistry with the KNOWN
factors. It's the typical way it's done. But if you don't have the desire to
play with others it doesn't matter. But your choices of who can play with
become even more limited if all the guys can't play 4 or 5 tunes together.
There's always going to be the guy that holds the thing back. Playing
together with others is integral to playing better.

Again, it's that options thing Jason... But like I said.... If you don't
WANT to play with others it doesn't matter. Just go at your own pace and end
up wherever you end up. But if you say, "I'd like to play but can't find the
dudes to even jam", then that could be one reason why, is alls i'm sayin'
indeed bro!

Carry on... Hope you don't think I'm arguing. It's not my intent.

Jeff

[Nobody]

Jeff Liberatore <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in article <Onu_a.56768$hc.56095@fe3.columbus.rr.com>...
>
> "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:e6i_a.6280$wg6.757@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> http://www.horsefish.net/audio/dont%20think%20twice.mp3
>
> > Hey, I just "posted a clip". Not an electric guitar clip, but a rare
> > moment of me hacking away at an acoustic. Sad.
>
> VERY nice Odin...
>
> Jeff

Damn...that is rather soothing and cool. Nice fingerpicking too.

Nice acoustic tone. Nice vocals.

Good job.

--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"RC Moonpie" <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:trhkjvshtk7akpv1d6ak8lao3ovt2d0iik@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:41:17 -0600, "ryanm"
> <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:
> I looked on Ebay first, yeah, pricey. Our bass player has a copy of
> Acid, in addition to Vegas, and he says Acid will do the "one track at
> a time time" thing too, in a basic way. Acid wont let you record more
> than one track live, at a time, i dont think, but one track at a time
> is all I need. Anyway, if i like it, I'll probly just buy a version of
> Acid.

I got most of my Sonic Foundry products from here:
http://www.sharbor.com/vendors/SFO.html. Sonic Foundry themselves were the
ones that told me about them. About the best deals you'll find and excellent
service. Sometimes I'd buy a bundled package, take what I needed, and sell
the unopened items on eBay. Ended up getting what I needed for very little.
It's fully legal and OK with Sonic Foundry as long as you keep/sell the
right parts and don't open them.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"RC Moonpie" <rcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q3ikjv00hskifr0e63aqdku4v9jri1t3o9@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:35 -0600, "ryanm"