RE-20 Bass Rolloff

[Blacktick]

Just wondering a list of the applications for the bass-rolloff function of
the RE-20.

I know I can experiment, but I'm interested in your experiences. I'm going
to be using it to mic a piano (probablly in conjunction with a 58 and/or
57), vocals, and perhaps eventually experiment with a kick drum (we already
have a d-112, but eventually going to experiment with the re-20).

Thanks,
Paul

[Fill X]

I believe the roll-off was originally for voice application though obviously
you can use it for whatever you want. I rarely touch it.


P h i l i p

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[Bob Olhsson]

In article <bhbbh9$obk$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Blacktick
<kotheimerREMOVEALLCAPS@lycos.com> wrote:

>Just wondering a list of the applications for the bass-rolloff function of
>the RE-20.

The RE-20 doesn't have much bass build-up from proximity effect unlike
most other mikes. The rolloff was intended to cut room rumble in
distant miking applications rather than to compensate for close mike
placement.

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[Fill X]

>
>The RE-20 doesn't have much bass build-up from proximity effect unlike
>most other mikes. The rolloff was intended to cut room rumble in
>distant miking applications rather than to compensate for close mike
>placement.

the sm-7 is like this too, which makes it a good voice mic. However, I thought
the roll-ff was for footfalls and the like in that in environment, but this
shows how wrong i can be! I stand corrected.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

[Scott Dorsey]

Fill X <mothra666@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>The RE-20 doesn't have much bass build-up from proximity effect unlike
>>most other mikes. The rolloff was intended to cut room rumble in
>>distant miking applications rather than to compensate for close mike
>>placement.
>
>the sm-7 is like this too, which makes it a good voice mic. However, I thought
>the roll-ff was for footfalls and the like in that in environment, but this
>shows how wrong i can be! I stand corrected.

The lack of proximity effect on the SM-7, though, is just from having a wide
pattern and a grille design that doesn't let you get close enough to the
capsule. The RE-20, on the other hand, uses a variable-D gadget (like the
old 666 and 664) to null out close-in low end.

The rolloff is for whatever you want to roll off. It's good for rumbles
and thumps... sometimes it's good for P-popping vocals and to get the right
guitar tone.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bhdibl$4p$1@panix2.panix.com...
> Fill X <mothra666@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>The RE-20 doesn't have much bass build-up from proximity effect unlike
> >>most other mikes. The rolloff was intended to cut room rumble in
> >>distant miking applications rather than to compensate for close mike
> >>placement.
> >
> >the sm-7 is like this too, which makes it a good voice mic. However, I
thought
> >the roll-ff was for footfalls and the like in that in environment, but
this
> >shows how wrong i can be! I stand corrected.
>
> The lack of proximity effect on the SM-7, though, is just from having a
wide
> pattern and a grille design that doesn't let you get close enough to the
> capsule. The RE-20, on the other hand, uses a variable-D gadget (like the
> old 666 and 664) to null out close-in low end.
>
> The rolloff is for whatever you want to roll off. It's good for rumbles
> and thumps... sometimes it's good for P-popping vocals and to get the
right
> guitar tone.
> --scott

I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano.

[Blacktick]

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bhdibl$4p$1@panix2.panix.com...
> Fill X <mothra666@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>The RE-20 doesn't have much bass build-up from proximity effect unlike
> >>most other mikes. The rolloff was intended to cut room rumble in
> >>distant miking applications rather than to compensate for close mike
> >>placement.
> >
> >the sm-7 is like this too, which makes it a good voice mic. However, I
thought
> >the roll-ff was for footfalls and the like in that in environment, but
this
> >shows how wrong i can be! I stand corrected.
>
> The lack of proximity effect on the SM-7, though, is just from having a
wide
> pattern and a grille design that doesn't let you get close enough to the
> capsule. The RE-20, on the other hand, uses a variable-D gadget (like the
> old 666 and 664) to null out close-in low end.
>
> The rolloff is for whatever you want to roll off. It's good for rumbles
> and thumps... sometimes it's good for P-popping vocals and to get the
right
> guitar tone.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thanks for all the help.

[Mike Rivers]

In article <bOu_a.137574$uu5.20484@sccrnsc04> rickywhunt@hotmail.com writes:

> I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano.

I can't imagine it being the best mic for a piano, but the RE20
doesn't seem to sound bad on anything I've ever tried it on. It might
sound better than your $39 Chinese mic. It probably won't sound better
than your $700 German mic.




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I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[EggHd]

<< I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano >>

Depending on what is needed, an RE20 and an RE15 over the hammers on a paino to
fit in a rock track is pretty cool. Or 2 RE15s for that matter.



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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Analogeezer]

egghd@aol.com (EggHd) wrote in message news:<20030813224444.09040.00000467@mb-m05.aol.com>...
> << I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano >>
>
> Depending on what is needed, an RE20 and an RE15 over the hammers on a paino to
> fit in a rock track is pretty cool. Or 2 RE15s for that matter.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> "I know enough to know I don't know enough"

I noticed on the new Zeppelin DVD that for some of the shows (1975ish
I think) that Bonham had two RE-20's as overheads.

Analogeezer

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"EggHd" <egghd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030813224444.09040.00000467@mb-m05.aol.com...
> << I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano >>
>
> Depending on what is needed, an RE20 and an RE15 over the hammers on a
paino to
> fit in a rock track is pretty cool. Or 2 RE15s for that matter.

After I wrote that the first thing that popped into my mind was "Lady
Madonna".

[Kenny]

Hello,

I remember one of my most embarrassing moments doing a show in Italy.
Two Catholic Nuns wanted to record the orchestra that night and the mic they
had was an RE-20. They asked me where I would recommended they put the mic.

So I told them point it towards the main speakers.
They set it up about 40 feet way from the main stack.

Later they sent me a copy of the video with that audio track on it.
The sound was terrible. Oh! I could kick myself...
I should have loaned them a condenser mic.
Dynamic mics are for close up use only.
get them back a bit and the sound is weak... at best.

I have a feeling the engineer that used the RE-20's on Led Zeppelin's
concert that night.
feels the same way now.

ha ha

Kenny


"Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
news:bfb37ea9.0308141155.2ed64351@posting.google.c om...
> egghd@aol.com (EggHd) wrote in message
news:<20030813224444.09040.00000467@mb-m05.aol.com>...
> > << I can't imagine using the RE20 for piano >>
> >
> > Depending on what is needed, an RE20 and an RE15 over the hammers on a
paino to
> > fit in a rock track is pretty cool. Or 2 RE15s for that matter.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > "I know enough to know I don't know enough"
>
> I noticed on the new Zeppelin DVD that for some of the shows (1975ish
> I think) that Bonham had two RE-20's as overheads.
>
> Analogeezer

[Mark Plancke]

"Kenny" <watch777@adelphia.net> wrote:

>Later they sent me a copy of the video with that audio track on it.
>The sound was terrible. Oh! I could kick myself...
>I should have loaned them a condenser mic.
>Dynamic mics are for close up use only.
>get them back a bit and the sound is weak... at best.
>
>I have a feeling the engineer that used the RE-20's on Led Zeppelin's
>concert that night.
>feels the same way now.
>
>ha ha

I don't know. The sound from that show sounds good to me, especially
with the new mixes. The unfortunate thing is that Jimmy and Bonham
looked pretty bad physically. Compared to the earlier performances on
the DVD; most notably the Royal Albert Hall performance they didn't
perform nearly to their potential.

Mark
http://SoundtechRecording.com

"Putting the lion's share of your attention and investment out in front
of the microphones pays off every time." -- Bob Olhsson