24 channel rackmounted mixer for HD24?? Anybody know of one?

[Burt Jones]

I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.

So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
look to be 4 or 5U.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.

Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
around?

Any ideas?

Burt Jones
Mediastar Productions

[John L Rice]

I have two Roland M120 mixers in my rack with the Fostex D2424LV and they
work very well for monitoring. They are 1U and 12 channels each. The stereo
monitor in / out lets you sort of chain them together. Very clean and
quiet.

Here's one on Ebay right now :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2550932229

Leon Russell is selling a ton of stuff and has one forsale :
http://www.leonrussellrecords.com/itm_synthesizer.shtml

Best of luck!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com


"Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om...
> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>
> Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> around?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Burt Jones
> Mediastar Productions

[Jim Gilliland]

Burt Jones wrote:
> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.

You might consider the new JoeMeek 828. It has eight channels per 1U
unit, but you can cascade them together to get your 24 channels in 3U.
We discussed it in a thread here a few months ago:

http://www.google.com/groups?threadm=3EC1094F.8A91DC65%40cheerful.com

I've never heard or seen one, so I can't give you a recommendation, but
it's definitely something that I'm considering for the same purpose
eventually.

They were supposed to be available in May, but the website gives no
indication that they are shipping yet, so there may be a wait.

http://www.joemeek.com/whatsnew.html

[Carey Carlan]

Jim Gilliland <usemylastname@cheerful.com> wrote in
news:vUp_a.8606$2Y6.2162464@news2.news.adelphia.ne t:

> Burt Jones wrote:
>> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
>> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
>> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>>
>> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
>> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
>> look to be 4 or 5U.
>>
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
>> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>
> You might consider the new JoeMeek 828. It has eight channels per 1U
> unit, but you can cascade them together to get your 24 channels in 3U.
> We discussed it in a thread here a few months ago:
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?threadm=3EC1094F.8A91DC65%40cheerful.com
>
> I've never heard or seen one, so I can't give you a recommendation, but
> it's definitely something that I'm considering for the same purpose
> eventually.
>
> They were supposed to be available in May, but the website gives no
> indication that they are shipping yet, so there may be a wait.
>
> http://www.joemeek.com/whatsnew.html

MSRP of $999 each makes that a $3,000 investment.

[Mike Rivers]

In article <7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.com> mixcubed2002@yahoo.com writes:

> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all.

There are some very good reasons why you can't find anything small
enough. You need a minimum of two controls for each channel (level and
pan), so even if you use rotary knobs rather than sliders, that's
still 48 knobs. You can't space them much closer than 1 inch if
you want to be able to tell one from another and get your fingers on a
knob, and you want to have them not all equally spaced so you have
some visual and tactile sense of where you are. So that's a lot of
linear inches. Unless you want a fixed mixer (no controls) or
screwdriver adjustments, I can't see how you'd put 24 channels worth
of controls on a 1U mixer. Then you need connectors, though you could
get away with three DB-25's. That's probably the least of your
problems.

However, what you want makes for something for which there aren't
hundreds of thousands of potential customers, so either you won't find
exactly what you want or you'll pay dearly for it. Three 8-channel 1
rack space mic preamp/mixers would be a wonderful complement to a
24-track hard disk recorder, but I think they're about $1800 each (and
I know you're going to tell me that you don't need mic preamps).

You could get a couple of Alesis R12 mixers which aren't that big or
heavy (or good, but probably OK for monitoring purposes) and after
you've made some money with them, replace them with something better
and more compact.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[Arny Krueger]

"Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om
> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.

> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.

> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.

http://www.crestaudio.com/products/xrackseries/xr20.cfm comes to mind, but
its nothing like even 5U.

AFAIK a 24 input 2U mixer would have to have something like screwdriver
slots for level adjustment.

Imagine this with 3 times the knobs in the same amount of rack space:

http://www.dangerousmusic.com/mixer.html

Doesn't compute.

[Moran, Doug - Denison]

On 13 Aug 2003, Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article <7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.com> mixcubed2002@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> > find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> > channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
> >
> > So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all.
>
> There are some very good reasons why you can't find anything small
> enough. You need a minimum of two controls for each channel (level and
> pan), so even if you use rotary knobs rather than sliders, that's
> still 48 knobs. You can't space them much closer than 1 inch if
> you want to be able to tell one from another and get your fingers on a
> knob, and you want to have them not all equally spaced so you have
> some visual and tactile sense of where you are. So that's a lot of
> linear inches. Unless you want a fixed mixer (no controls) or
> screwdriver adjustments, I can't see how you'd put 24 channels worth
> of controls on a 1U mixer. Then you need connectors, though you could
> get away with three DB-25's. That's probably the least of your
> problems.
>
> However, what you want makes for something for which there aren't
> hundreds of thousands of potential customers, so either you won't find
> exactly what you want or you'll pay dearly for it. Three 8-channel 1
> rack space mic preamp/mixers would be a wonderful complement to a
> 24-track hard disk recorder, but I think they're about $1800 each (and
> I know you're going to tell me that you don't need mic preamps).

How about something like these:

http://www.ashly.com/lx-series.htm

There is a sub in and out on the back that you could feed the previous one
in the series into. This would be 3 rack spaces. The outputs of the
recorder should be a line level.

Doug

[Mike]

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<-EydnepvNdSlyqeiXTWJjg@comcast.com>...
> "Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om
> > I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> > find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> > channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> > So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> > Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> > look to be 4 or 5U.
>
> > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> > mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>
> http://www.crestaudio.com/products/xrackseries/xr20.cfm comes to mind, but
> its nothing like even 5U.
>
> AFAIK a 24 input 2U mixer would have to have something like screwdriver
> slots for level adjustment.
>
> Imagine this with 3 times the knobs in the same amount of rack space:
>
> http://www.dangerousmusic.com/mixer.html
>
> Doesn't compute.


Actually I think you could do this with two motu 828 MKII's. They work
as a standalone mixer for all their inputs. They have 8 adat and 8
analog ins on each unit. So 2 units in 2 rackspaces would do the
trick.


Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[John L Rice]

"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:znr1060776929k@trad...
>
> In article <7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.com>
mixcubed2002@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> > find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> > channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
> >
> > So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all.
>
> There are some very good reasons why you can't find anything small
> enough. You need a minimum of two controls for each channel (level and
> pan), so even if you use rotary knobs rather than sliders, that's
> still 48 knobs. You can't space them much closer than 1 inch if
> you want to be able to tell one from another and get your fingers on a
> knob, and you want to have them not all equally spaced so you have
> some visual and tactile sense of where you are. So that's a lot of
> linear inches. Unless you want a fixed mixer (no controls) or
> screwdriver adjustments, I can't see how you'd put 24 channels worth
> of controls on a 1U mixer. Then you need connectors, though you could
> get away with three DB-25's. That's probably the least of your
> problems.
>
> However, what you want makes for something for which there aren't
> hundreds of thousands of potential customers, so either you won't find
> exactly what you want or you'll pay dearly for it. Three 8-channel 1
> rack space mic preamp/mixers would be a wonderful complement to a
> 24-track hard disk recorder, but I think they're about $1800 each (and
> I know you're going to tell me that you don't need mic preamps).
>
> You could get a couple of Alesis R12 mixers which aren't that big or
> heavy (or good, but probably OK for monitoring purposes) and after
> you've made some money with them, replace them with something better
> and more compact.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

I think it could be done. The 1U Roland M-120 12 channel mixer has more
than enough knobs on the front, 56 total configured in two concentric pairs
per channel. ( vol + pan and send 1 + send 2 ).
http://www.imjohn.com/misc/Roland_M-120_Mixers.gif

If you dropped the aux send functionality you could get rid of two
concentric pairs and space the others out a hair more.

And MOTU manages to cram 48 TRS jacks on the back of the 1U 24I/O and still
have room left over for a firewire(audiowire), word clock and power
connectors so there would be plenty of room for 'only' 24 input jacks and a
few output jacks.
http://www.motu.com/english/motuaudio/24IO/rp.html
Or you could also get rid of the analog input jacks altogether and just use
3 lightpipe jacks and put inexpensive but reasonable D/A converters inside.
This would make it a lot lighter in the rack ( 24 TRS cables must weigh 5
pounds or more ) and much simpler to hook up.

There are also a couple ways I can think of to eliminate the pan rings to
make more finger room. One for instance would be to make the unit mono.

Sure, the knobs are so close together that you'd be fairly insane to try to
mix FOH with one but for just being able to tell that nice clean signals are
being recorded and not modulated noise, I think it would be invaluable for
people using HD recorders in the field.

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

[Jim Gilliland]

Carey Carlan wrote:
> Jim Gilliland <usemylastname@cheerful.com> wrote:
>
>>Burt Jones wrote:
>>
>>>I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
>>>find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
>>>channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>>>
>>You might consider the new JoeMeek 828. It has eight channels per 1U
>>unit, but you can cascade them together to get your 24 channels in 3U.
>
> MSRP of $999 each makes that a $3,000 investment.

True, but he didn't mention a budget number. I paid $3000 for my Spirit
328 a few years ago, and I only _wish_ it had 24 mic pres.

[John S. Etnier]

I use a Roland M-240R for my Radar24 remote monitoring: 4RU. Bought it
for something like $200.00 on ebay. It even has aux sends and stuff so
you can feed headphones if you need to.

In article <7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.com>, Burt
Jones <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>
> Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> around?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Burt Jones
> Mediastar Productions

--
John Etnier
Studio Dual
http://www.studiodual.com

[Mike Rivers]

In article <934b3e2c.0308131618.15fb5ae6@posting.google.com> mmeprod@mmeproductions.com writes:

> Actually I think you could do this with two motu 828 MKII's. They work
> as a standalone mixer for all their inputs. They have 8 adat and 8
> analog ins on each unit. So 2 units in 2 rackspaces would do the
> trick.

Where are the knobs?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

[Mike]

mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:<znr1060826436k@trad>...
> In article <934b3e2c.0308131618.15fb5ae6@posting.google.com> mmeprod@mmeproductions.com writes:
>
> > Actually I think you could do this with two motu 828 MKII's. They work
> > as a standalone mixer for all their inputs. They have 8 adat and 8
> > analog ins on each unit. So 2 units in 2 rackspaces would do the
> > trick.
>
> Where are the knobs?

It's got virtual knobs:)

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Patric D'Eimon]

Well heck! Since no one has mentioned it thus far I guess I will. Behringer has a unit out called
Euro rack Pro RX1602. 1 RU. It says 16 balanced inputs. For $99.00 from Musicians friend. I'm
not promoting behringer and I know this group gets pretty snobby about Behringer, but that won't
prevent it from being a good and useful unit. 32 channels for $200 is a good deal if it seems like
it will work OK. I suspect you'll need to go to the Behringer site for more info. Patric

Mike wrote:

> mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:<znr1060826436k@trad>...
> > In article <934b3e2c.0308131618.15fb5ae6@posting.google.com> mmeprod@mmeproductions.com writes:
> >
> > > Actually I think you could do this with two motu 828 MKII's. They work
> > > as a standalone mixer for all their inputs. They have 8 adat and 8
> > > analog ins on each unit. So 2 units in 2 rackspaces would do the
> > > trick.
> >
> > Where are the knobs?
>
> It's got virtual knobs:)
>
> Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[ScotFraser]

<< but for just being able to tell that nice clean signals are
being recorded and not modulated noise, I think it would be invaluable for
people using HD recorders in the field.
>>

For real useability you'd need solos also.



Scott Fraser

[John L Rice]

Good idea Scott. It is sort of a pain to turn down 23 channels so you can
just listen to one. Maybe slip in a tiny switch for each channel or use
pots with switches so pulling out the knob solos it. Or you could cheat and
put a DB-25 connector on the back and have a small external box with the
solo switches in it.

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

"ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030814125327.05187.00000884@mb-m01.aol.com...
> << but for just being able to tell that nice clean signals are
> being recorded and not modulated noise, I think it would be invaluable for
> people using HD recorders in the field.
> >>
>
> For real useability you'd need solos also.
>
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[John S. Etnier]

The Roland M-240R doesn't have solo, but it does have several aux
busses, so I use one for solos- keeping the knobs down and 'bumping'
the channel I want to audition.

Again, I think it's a good choice: 24+ channels, 4RU


In article <vjojpfd6hjure9@corp.supernews.com>, John L Rice
<Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:

> Good idea Scott. It is sort of a pain to turn down 23 channels so you can
> just listen to one. Maybe slip in a tiny switch for each channel or use
> pots with switches so pulling out the knob solos it. Or you could cheat and
> put a DB-25 connector on the back and have a small external box with the
> solo switches in it.
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>
> "ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030814125327.05187.00000884@mb-m01.aol.com...
> > << but for just being able to tell that nice clean signals are
> > being recorded and not modulated noise, I think it would be invaluable for
> > people using HD recorders in the field.
> > >>
> >
> > For real useability you'd need solos also.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott Fraser
>
>

--
John Etnier
Studio Dual
http://www.studiodual.com

[Rick Knepper]

One would think with the number of 24 track recorders on the market, there
would be a rush (or at least a trot) to supply a front or back end solution
specifically for these products, but no.

--
Rick Knepper
MicroComputer Support Services
Knepper Audio
Ft. Worth, TX
817-239-9632
413-215-1267 Fax
PC Tech Support & Equipment Sales
CDR Duplication & Audio Mastering
Recording
http://www.rknepper.com


"Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om...
> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>
> Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> around?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Burt Jones
> Mediastar Productions

[Les Cargill]

Rick Knepper wrote:
>
> One would think with the number of 24 track recorders on the market, there
> would be a rush (or at least a trot) to supply a front or back end solution
> specifically for these products, but no.
>

Too many bits.

Lightpipe is 16Bit@44.1X8, or something like 5 megabit.

It'd take what, 6 Lightpipe interfaces to get 24 channels at 24 bits for
44.1 or 48ksample? 24 @ 24 for 48k is 27.648 megabit.

You can use any of a number of things as a digital mixer to faux up a
cue mix. None of these things are naturally rackmount, dunno if
they can even be made to be so.

24 channels in 2 RU? Sheesh. Allen screw pots, or what?

> --
> Rick Knepper
> MicroComputer Support Services
> Knepper Audio
> Ft. Worth, TX
> 817-239-9632
> 413-215-1267 Fax
> PC Tech Support & Equipment Sales
> CDR Duplication & Audio Mastering
> Recording
> http://www.rknepper.com
>
> "Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om...
> > I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> > find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> > channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
> >
> > So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> > Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> > look to be 4 or 5U.
> >
> > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> > mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
> >
> > Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> > that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> > inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> > around?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Burt Jones
> > Mediastar Productions


--
Les Cargill

[Hal Laurent]

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3F3CEC42.D1FB7241@worldnet.att.net...
>
> Too many bits.
>
> Lightpipe is 16Bit@44.1X8, or something like 5 megabit.
>
> It'd take what, 6 Lightpipe interfaces to get 24 channels at 24 bits for
> 44.1 or 48ksample? 24 @ 24 for 48k is 27.648 megabit.

Lightpipe does 8 channels of 24 bit 48k just fine.

88.1 or 96k is another story.

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

[Rick Knepper]

I was thinking analog, 5 feet wide. <g>

--
Rick Knepper
MicroComputer Support Services
Knepper Audio
Ft. Worth, TX
817-239-9632
413-215-1267 Fax
PC Tech Support & Equipment Sales
CDR Duplication & Audio Mastering
Recording
http://www.rknepper.com


"Les Cargill" <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3F3CEC42.D1FB7241@worldnet.att.net...
> Rick Knepper wrote:
> >
> > One would think with the number of 24 track recorders on the market,
there
> > would be a rush (or at least a trot) to supply a front or back end
solution
> > specifically for these products, but no.
> >
>
> Too many bits.
>
> Lightpipe is 16Bit@44.1X8, or something like 5 megabit.
>
> It'd take what, 6 Lightpipe interfaces to get 24 channels at 24 bits for
> 44.1 or 48ksample? 24 @ 24 for 48k is 27.648 megabit.
>
> You can use any of a number of things as a digital mixer to faux up a
> cue mix. None of these things are naturally rackmount, dunno if
> they can even be made to be so.
>
> 24 channels in 2 RU? Sheesh. Allen screw pots, or what?
>
> > --
> > Rick Knepper
> > MicroComputer Support Services
> > Knepper Audio
> > Ft. Worth, TX
> > 817-239-9632
> > 413-215-1267 Fax
> > PC Tech Support & Equipment Sales
> > CDR Duplication & Audio Mastering
> > Recording
> > http://www.rknepper.com
> >
> > "Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om...
> > > I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> > > find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> > > channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
> > >
> > > So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> > > Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> > > look to be 4 or 5U.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> > > mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
> > >
> > > Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> > > that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> > > inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> > > around?
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Burt Jones
> > > Mediastar Productions
>
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> Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Hal Laurent wrote:
>
> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3F3CEC42.D1FB7241@worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > Too many bits.
> >
> > Lightpipe is 16Bit@44.1X8, or something like 5 megabit.
> >
> > It'd take what, 6 Lightpipe interfaces to get 24 channels at 24 bits for
> > 44.1 or 48ksample? 24 @ 24 for 48k is 27.648 megabit.
>
> Lightpipe does 8 channels of 24 bit 48k just fine.
>

Doh! Yup. My excuse is I still run at 16 bit, so I wasn't sure how many
channels were available @ 24. Thanks.

> 88.1 or 96k is another story.
>
> Hal Laurent
> Baltimore


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[Port]

This is what I am using and it works for monitoring ONLY
Samson 24 Track Mixer PL2404=20

Has 12 stereo inputs plus solo 4 rack spaces .
I bought mine on ebay for $150
There is one up there now ( I don't know seller)=20

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14986

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"Burt Jones" <mixcubed2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.c om...
> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>=20
> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all. The Speck
> Xtramix and the Mackie LM3204 are the two that I found and they both
> look to be 4 or 5U.
>=20
> Does anyone have any other suggestions for a portable 24 channel
> mixer. I'd love to find something in 2U if possible.
>=20
> Or, if there is a such thing as a 24 channel lightpipe mixer in 1U,
> that would be freaking awesome. I know the 2408 has 3 lightpipe
> inputs, but can you monitor them without having to haul a computer
> around?
>=20
> Any ideas?
>=20
> Burt Jones
> Mediastar Productions

[LeBaron & Alrich]

It occurs to me that the Speck line mixer might be killer for this.

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[Roger W. Norman]

Seems like for real usability you'd need more than a line mixer. You'd need
some pres.

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"ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030814125327.05187.00000884@mb-m01.aol.com...
> << but for just being able to tell that nice clean signals are
> being recorded and not modulated noise, I think it would be invaluable for
> people using HD recorders in the field.
> >>
>
> For real useability you'd need solos also.
>
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[Carey Carlan]

"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in
news:bhl055$clu$1@bob.news.rcn.net:

> Seems like for real usability you'd need more than a line mixer.
> You'd need some pres.

Not for monitoring the output of the recorder.

[Bill Thompson]

Carey Carlan wrote:
> "Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in
> news:bhl055$clu$1@bob.news.rcn.net:
>
>
>>Seems like for real usability you'd need more than a line mixer.
>>You'd need some pres.
>
>
> Not for monitoring the output of the recorder..

I'm not sure why this mixer doesn't exist... I've built two for my 8
track portable hard disk recorder and they make location work sooooo
much easier.

My first attempt was a simple 10 input line level mixer. 8 channels for
the hard disk recorder, the extra pair for adding a click track is so
desired.... but I never used it since the D-108 has a metronome already.

Each channel has a simple trim to set the levels feeding the stereo bus,
mute and solo buttons, and the solo facility uses the same stereo bus as
the "main" mix by simply "inverting" the mute logic. Oh yeah, there's
also a small headphone amplifier.

Then I got tired of the rats nest of wiring, so I picked up a MIDIMan
SAM. This would be perfect if only it had solo and mute. It did,
however, cut way down on wiring<G>!

Since this was for remote recording, I didn't eek out every ounce of
performance. I used whatever opamps I had handy for both the buffer and
the summing point. I don't even recall what they are at the moment.
Since I knew that I was connecting to -10dBV unbalanced outputs I built
the entire circuit to operate at that nominal level, and I included a
"cal" switch on each input to bypass the trim. Each buffer is set for a
fixed 3 dB of gain, enough to make up for really quiet tracks. This
let's the trim be a passive attenuator. My original thought was that I'd
probably never use the trim controls... but I was wrong, it's nice even
when just monitoring while recording to set up a pleasing mix, so I'll
probably replace the el-cheapo pots with stepped attenuators.

This works like a dream, and the summing amplifiers have an extra pair
of inputs that are currently terminated so that I can cascade additional
channels if I ever upgrade the D-108.

I've offered the prototype to a couple of companies, but thus far no one
things there would be any demand, and I'm too lazy to make a kit out of it.

Bill

[Andre Majorel]

In article <znr1060776929k@trad>, Mike Rivers wrote:
>
> In article <7e6ab006.0308122133.3d384449@posting.google.com>
> mixcubed2002@yahoo.com writes:
>
>> I am buying an HD24 for a small mobile recording rig and I need to
>> find the smallest possible rackmounted mixer that can accomodate 24
>> channels so I can monitor the outputs of the recorder.
>>
>> So far I haven't been able to find anything small at all.
>
> There are some very good reasons why you can't find anything small
> enough. You need a minimum of two controls for each channel (level and
> pan), so even if you use rotary knobs rather than sliders, that's
> still 48 knobs. You can't space them much closer than 1 inch if
> you want to be able to tell one from another and get your fingers on a
> knob, and you want to have them not all equally spaced so you have
> some visual and tactile sense of where you are. So that's a lot of
> linear inches. Unless you want a fixed mixer (no controls) or
> screwdriver adjustments, I can't see how you'd put 24 channels worth
> of controls on a 1U mixer.

The Fostex 2016 is a 16-channel line mixer. It's 2U high, but it
has two sends per channel and input jacks at the front. The pots
are about 14 mm apart, but the knobs themselves are a bit under
8 mm in diameter. I imagine that someone with big fingers would
have trouble with it.

If they dropped the master section and the sends, they could
stuff 24 channels in 1U. Even the jacks would fit in at the back
(17.5" / 24 = 18.5 mm).

--
André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we
despise, we don't believe in it at all. -- Noam Chomsky

[ryanm]

"John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
news:vjjkpmugle289@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Leon Russell is selling a ton of stuff and has one forsale :
> http://www.leonrussellrecords.com/itm_synthesizer.shtml
>
What's up with that? Health issues forcing him to retire, or is he just
selling some old gear? He sounded good last time I saw him (considering his
age and the way he's lived), but that has been several years ago.

ryanm