So the Osbourne's Is FAKE? [Archive]

reddred

08-13-2003, 03:37 AM

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Ricky W. Hunt <rickywhunt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20030813013906.27762.00001226@mb-m23.aol.com...
> >> Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
> >HOAX,
> >> pretending to be reality TV?
> >
> >I missed it. What happened?
>
> Well... in the beginning, the earth was without form or void... and then
> some stuff happened... and then this guy bit the neck off a bat....
> --scott
>

You should be Ozzy's publicist.

jb

philicorda

08-13-2003, 07:09 AM

"BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
HOAX,
> pretending to be reality TV?

Shock horror!
Professional scriptwriters make more entertaining television than the
aimless ramblings of the average joe?
Someone should be told!

Rob Adelman

08-13-2003, 07:52 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe! ;)

philicorda wrote:

> "BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030813013906.27762.00001226@mb-m23.aol.com...
>
>>Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
>
> HOAX,
>
>>pretending to be reality TV?
>
>
> Shock horror!
> Professional scriptwriters make more entertaining television than the
> aimless ramblings of the average joe?
> Someone should be told!
>
>

Scott Dorsey

08-13-2003, 08:45 AM

BlacklineMusic <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote:
>Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted HOAX,
>pretending to be reality TV?

Isn't that what art is about?

I don't think Jim Neighbors was really as stupid as he made out to be on
Gomer Pyle either.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Troy

08-13-2003, 08:46 AM

I doubt Ozzy can read a script,let alone act :-)

BlacklineMusic <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
HOAX,
> pretending to be reality TV?

Dale Farmer

08-13-2003, 09:35 AM

Troy wrote:

> I doubt Ozzy can read a script,let alone act :-)
>
> BlacklineMusic <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030813013906.27762.00001226@mb-m23.aol.com...
> > Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
> HOAX,
> > pretending to be reality TV?

His whole life is an act.

--Dale

Fill X

08-13-2003, 11:19 AM

>I don't think Jim Neighbors was really as stupid as he made out to be on
>Gomer Pyle either.
>--scott

and you say this after hearing his records?

P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

Ricky W. Hunt

08-13-2003, 12:39 PM

Scott Dorsey

08-13-2003, 01:46 PM

Ricky W. Hunt <rickywhunt@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030813013906.27762.00001226@mb-m23.aol.com...
>> Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
>HOAX,
>> pretending to be reality TV?
>
>I missed it. What happened?

Well... in the beginning, the earth was without form or void... and then
some stuff happened... and then this guy bit the neck off a bat....
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Exit1200

08-13-2003, 03:00 PM

<< You thought it was real?

jb >>

I honestly thought it was incredible editing. Take their everyday life and edit
it together to seem funny.

exit

EggHd

08-13-2003, 03:32 PM

<< You should be Ozzy's publicist. >>

he probably has them in his garage somewhere.

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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

Charles Thomas

08-13-2003, 03:33 PM

My guess is that it's all "real" (i.e., real life captured by cameras
running nearly 24/7 then heavily edited to flesh out story lines, etc,
like most reality shows).

However, the final episode was mostly scripted as an elaborate practical
joke. The fact that so many people are doubting whether the whole
series was scripted just speaks to how effective the final episode's
"gag" was.

CT

Rob Adelman

08-13-2003, 04:41 PM

reddred wrote:
> "BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030813013906.27762.00001226@mb-m23.aol.com...
>
>>Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
>
> HOAX,
>
>>pretending to be reality TV?
>
>
> You thought it was real?
>

If someone put a bunch of TV cameras in your house and broadcast to
millions of people, do you think you would act the same as usual? Doubtful..

Jay Levitt

08-13-2003, 06:53 PM

In article <A6z_a.107470$6a3.3192764@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
radelman@mn.rr.com says...
> If someone put a bunch of TV cameras in your house and broadcast to
> millions of people, do you think you would act the same as usual? Doubtful..

This new laundry detergent saved me so much time, I had time to go get
my hair done!

--
Jay Levitt |
Wellesley, MA | Hi!
Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going?
http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket?

BlacklineMusic

08-13-2003, 07:22 PM

>You thought it was real?

along with the rest of the world, yes

BlacklineMusic

08-13-2003, 07:23 PM

>If I had to guess, I'd say that they're all unscripted, in the sense that
>nobosy is saying lines, but the situations are staged so as to create drama.

last night's finale showed CUE CARDS and going over lines to get it right.
They showed the classic "I love you all but you're all ****ing mad" being done
over and over again till Ozzy got it right.

BlacklineMusic

08-13-2003, 07:24 PM

>However, the final episode was mostly scripted as an elaborate practical
>joke. The fact that so many people are doubting whether the whole
>series was scripted just speaks to how effective the final episode's
>"gag" was.

yes but they showed Ozzy doing over lines from season 1.

Robert Pascarella

08-13-2003, 10:04 PM

On 13 Aug 2003 05:39:06 GMT, blacklinemusic@aol.com (BlacklineMusic)
wrote:

>Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted HOAX,
>pretending to be reality TV?

Someone...please tell me that the Simpsons are a REAL family living in
Springfield! I'm really scared. Is everything on TV fake????

BP.

Paul

08-13-2003, 11:16 PM

> From: blacklinemusic@aol.com (BlacklineMusic)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: 14 Aug 2003 01:24:19 GMT
> Subject: Re: So the Osbourne's Is FAKE?
>
>> However, the final episode was mostly scripted as an elaborate practical
>> joke. The fact that so many people are doubting whether the whole
>> series was scripted just speaks to how effective the final episode's
>> "gag" was.
>
> yes but they showed Ozzy doing over lines from season 1.

Actually i caught myself thinking about that part. After them showing the
cue cards, then showing that memorable first season clip. This one was
staged, but then is it all? Or parts of it? Then Ozzie parodied himself with
the remote. Got to love that. Were those all really Sharon's dogs? Did they
start making things more and more ridiculous to see how far they could
string us along? Were the cats really eaten by the neighbors coyotes? Or did
their contract run out? Was the skater dude an actor? Did Sharon really pee
on her daughter?

Either way, it was all very entertaining.

Rajio Off......

BlacklineMusic

08-13-2003, 11:41 PM

>Actually i caught myself thinking about that part. After them showing the
>cue cards, then showing that memorable first season clip. This one was
>staged, but then is it all? Or parts of it? Then Ozzie parodied himself with
>the remote. Got to love that. Were those all really Sharon's dogs? Did they
>start making things more and more ridiculous to see how far they could
>string us along? Were the cats really eaten by the neighbors coyotes? Or did
>their contract run out? Was the skater dude an actor? Did Sharon really pee
>on her daughter?
>
>Either way, it was all very entertaining.
>
>Rajio Off......
>

I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like I've
been had.

BlacklineMusic

08-13-2003, 11:42 PM

>Someone...please tell me that the Simpsons are a REAL family living in
>Springfield! I'm really scared. Is everything on TV fake????
>
>BP.

BJ, thats hilarious really, but the Osbourne's were called a "reality" show and
went on record saying it was all real. I've been had.

Bill Ruys

08-13-2003, 11:43 PM

Relax, the Simpsons are as real as the TV footage of man landing on the
moon!

http://www.moontruth.com/

"Robert Pascarella" <originalmusic@adelphia.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Aug 2003 05:39:06 GMT, blacklinemusic@aol.com (BlacklineMusic)
> wrote:
>
> >Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted
HOAX,
> >pretending to be reality TV?
>
> Someone...please tell me that the Simpsons are a REAL family living in
> Springfield! I'm really scared. Is everything on TV fake????
>
> BP.
>

BlacklineMusic

08-14-2003, 12:36 AM

>I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like I've
>been had.

I just saw the episode again. So the idea was to make people think that the
whole thing was fake and I fell for it. Look people, I spend 8 hours a day in
a 20 by 30 foot room filled with knobs and lots of noise. Give me a break.
Ok? Very clever of them.

Fletcher

08-14-2003, 05:49 AM

BlacklineMusic wrote:

>
> I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like I've
> been had.

What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"... you were
entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if it's real or
imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's ****ing job. We're not talking
about a lover pretending to be something they're not... we're talking about a
****ing TV show... a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?
--
Fletcher
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Glenn Davis

08-14-2003, 06:03 AM

>His whole life is an act.

And his act is his whole life.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

Glenn Davis

08-14-2003, 06:58 AM

>Relax, the Simpsons are as real as the TV footage of man landing on the
>moon!

I heard someone say the walk was faked because you could see shadows...which
would not happen if you were really on the moon. Some people are watching
Capricorn One and Wag The Dog too many times.

-The Old Shoe
13 Ghost Street,
Roswell, New Mexico
(We manufacture moon rocks and broken mirrors with 7 year warranties)

axtogrind

08-14-2003, 08:53 AM

****ity **** ****!

"Fletcher" <Fletcher@mercenary.com> wrote in message
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> BlacklineMusic wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like
I've
> > been had.
>
> What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"... you were
> entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if it's real or
> imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's ****ing job. We're not
talking
> about a lover pretending to be something they're not... we're talking
about a
> ****ing TV show... a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?
> --
> Fletcher
> Mercenary Audio
> TEL: 508-543-0069
> FAX: 508-543-9670
> http://www.mercenary.com
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>
>

Charles Thomas

08-14-2003, 09:50 AM

In article <20030813212325.29663.00000691@mb-m17.aol.com>,
blacklinemusic@aol.com (BlacklineMusic) wrote:

> last night's finale showed CUE CARDS and going over lines to get it right.
> They showed the classic "I love you all but you're all ****ing mad" being done
> over and over again till Ozzy got it right.

Hook, line, sinker.

CT

dt king

08-14-2003, 11:10 AM

"BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030813212419.29663.00000692@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >However, the final episode was mostly scripted as an elaborate practical
> >joke. The fact that so many people are doubting whether the whole
> >series was scripted just speaks to how effective the final episode's
> >"gag" was.
>
> yes but they showed Ozzy doing over lines from season 1.

You do realize that it is possible to shoot new footage and edit it in with
old, right?

I like those cartoon movies where, at the end, they show the characters
doing bloopers.

I am left wonder how it is possible to teach Ozzy new songs.

dtk

Charles Thomas

08-14-2003, 12:04 PM

In article <%nP_a.787$f15.88926@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.n et>,
"dt king" <usenet@leztoys.com> wrote:

> > yes but they showed Ozzy doing over lines from season 1.

Go back and watch that whole thing again... carefully.

CT

Justin Ulysses Morse

08-14-2003, 03:36 PM

Glenn Davis <rstudio190@aol.com> wrote:

> I heard someone say the walk was faked because you could see shadows...which
> would not happen if you were really on the moon. Some people are watching
> Capricorn One and Wag The Dog too many times.

That's ridiculous. Some people don't know their ass (moon) from a
(groundhog) hole in the ground! On the moon, you can certainly see
your shadow. You just can't see your reflection in a mirror.

ulysses

nuke

08-14-2003, 08:05 PM

So when does "The Fletchers" hit the air?

Actually I don't look at it as entertainment so much as a way to kill time
between commercials. Commercials are the ONLY reality on TV anyway.

I kind of like commercials. I know they aren't lying to me. Sure, they say a
lot of stuff that isn't exactly true. However, they all have the same
undeniable message of truth, which is just plain old, "Buy Me."

>What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"... you were
>entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if it's real or
>imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's ****ing job. We're not
>talking
>about a lover pretending to be something they're not... we're talking about
>a
>****ing TV show... a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?
>--
>Fletcher
>Mercenary Audio

--
Dr. Nuketopia
Sorry, no e-Mail.
Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.

BESTnewEnglandDJ

08-14-2003, 08:47 PM

MTV ,, :roles eyes::
vk

Ricky W. Hunt

08-14-2003, 09:05 PM

"BlacklineMusic" <blacklinemusic@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like
I've
> been had.
>

Or maybe they really are that screwed up and are trying to throw you off the
scent.

Ricky W. Hunt

08-14-2003, 09:07 PM

"Paul" <plogus@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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>Did Sharon really pee on her daughter?

I don't know but I saw the one where she stuck here finger in her vagina and
rubbed it under Kelly's nose. That was too much.

Ricky W. Hunt

08-14-2003, 09:10 PM

"dt king" <usenet@leztoys.com> wrote in message
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> I am left wonder how it is possible to teach Ozzy new songs.

I read where one if his engineers said he writes and tracks a line at a
time. He said he's never seen anyone else work this way and when he told
others (and they tried it) it was a total disaster.

NeilH011

08-14-2003, 09:34 PM

>I kind of like commercials. I know they aren't lying to me. Sure, they say a
>lot of stuff that isn't exactly true. However, they all have the same
>undeniable message of truth, which is just plain old, "Buy Me."

And, they pay for all the other stuff you get to watch for free.

NeilH

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08-14-2003, 10:00 PM

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On 2003-08-14 rstudio190@aol.com(GlennDavis) said:
>>Relax, the Simpsons are as real as the TV footage of man landing
>>on the moon!
>I heard someone say the walk was faked because you could see
>shadows...which would not happen if you were really on the moon.
>Some people are watching Capricorn One and Wag The Dog too many
>times. -The Old Shoe

NOw I talked to a young man who came over to help me with some antenna
work. He's an amateur radio operator so one would presume some
technical literacy. THis guy's about 23 or 24. HE told me that he
didn't believe that they really walked on the moon. HE thought it was
all just fancy computer graphics crap. I explained to him that the
little handheld DC to daylight receiver with three or four band
transmit on his belt had more memory than a room full of computer of
that day. IT took some convincing.

<hrrump>.

so the Osbournes is fake. WHo really cares. NO matter what it was it
was fake to me and I don't even own a damn TV.

Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email.

--

"Reality is an illusion created by a Marijuana deficiency."

Bob Smith

08-14-2003, 10:08 PM

BlacklineMusic wrote:
>
> Did anyone see that last night? So the whole damn show is a scripted HOAX,
> pretending to be reality TV?

I'm *shocked* to hear that something on TV might be fake.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

Bryson

08-15-2003, 03:17 AM

Fletcher wrote:
> BlacklineMusic wrote:
>
>
>>I don't know, but I want the truth. I loved that show, now I feel like I've
>>been had.
>
>
> What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"... you were
> entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if it's real or
> imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's ****ing job. We're not talking
> about a lover pretending to be something they're not... we're talking about a
> ****ing TV show... a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?

Oh be real, Fletcher. You mean you've never been entertained
by a story, mainly by the fact that it was actually true?

No need to get bent when finding out a TV show's fake though.
Who's fault is it for believing anything on tv to be real anyway.

> --
> Fletcher
> Mercenary Audio
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> FAX: 508-543-9670
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>
>

Fletcher

08-15-2003, 05:16 AM

Bryson wrote:

> Fletcher wrote:
> >
> > What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"... you were
> > entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if it's real or
> > imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's ****ing job. We're not talking
> > about a lover pretending to be something they're not... we're talking about a
> > ****ing TV show... a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?
>
> Oh be real, Fletcher. You mean you've never been entertained
> by a story, mainly by the fact that it was actually true?
>
> No need to get bent when finding out a TV show's fake though.
> Who's fault is it for believing anything on tv to be real anyway.

I couldn't care less if it's real, fake, or a combination or fantasy and reality. My
point was, and is, the same as your point.

It's entertainment product... if it's entertaining who cares if it's "real" or
written.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
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Ricky W. Hunt

08-15-2003, 07:25 AM

"Fletcher" <Fletcher@mercenary.com> wrote in message
news:3F3CC00B.72A17F6E@mercenary.com...
> It's entertainment product... if it's entertaining who cares if it's
"real" or
> written.

I don't know. I do get ticked when something passed off expressly as true is
revealed to be false, especially when it's the crux of the movie. The first
time I saw "29th Street" I thought it was one of the best movies I had ever
seen until they put up that little "pop up trivia" thing on cable and
revealed the truth. That would be like watching a movie like Titanic and
finding out later the boat never sank.

Glenn Davis

08-15-2003, 10:28 AM

>I kind of like commercials. I know they aren't lying to me. Sure, they say a
>lot of stuff that isn't exactly true.

Commercials are the main reason (second only to crappy programs) why I don't
watch too much TV. Aside from the DJ's, same goes for Radio. For some reason
most print advertising does not bother me as much...maybe it's because I can
control the amount of time the advertising is stealing from me. We sleep a good
portion of life away and I don't need advertising winching alot of my time
spent during my awake hours. George Carlin has some superb thoughts on
advertising if you know what I mean.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

Glenn Davis

08-15-2003, 10:33 AM

>That would be like watching a movie like Titanic

Cameron's version was one of the best 20 Minute Movies I have seen in a long
time.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

Charles Thomas

08-15-2003, 11:42 AM

In article <20030814224742.07201.00000015@mb-m26.aol.com>,
bestnewenglanddj@aol.com (BESTnewEnglandDJ) wrote:

> MTV ,, :roles eyes::

Should we bestow your "Too Cool For School" mantle here, or in a private
ceremony at CBGBs?

CT

BESTnewEnglandDJ

08-15-2003, 07:41 PM

no just Kiss my feet .
vk

Fletcher

08-16-2003, 06:35 AM

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote:

> I don't know. I do get ticked when something passed off expressly as true is
> revealed to be false, especially when it's the crux of the movie. The first
> time I saw "29th Street" I thought it was one of the best movies I had ever
> seen until they put up that little "pop up trivia" thing on cable and
> revealed the truth. That would be like watching a movie like Titanic and
> finding out later the boat never sank.

I'll bet the whole Milli-Vanilli thing musta put you close to an aneurysm...
personally, I never understood what the big deal was... obviously a whole lot of
people liked the record or they wouldn't have purchased it... nor would it have
been voted a Grammy®... but when it came to light that the guys in the video
weren't the guys who sang the record they were treated like misfit red headed
step children... meanwhile the broad in the C+C Music Factory video didn't sing
on 'Wanna Make You Sweat' and nobody gave a ****... I've never understood that.

I dunno maybe I'm ****ed... but if it entertains me, I really don't give a ****
if it's real or imaginary... I'm entertained... end of story. I guess I'm just
not all that voyeuristic or something...
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
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Robert Pascarella

08-16-2003, 09:24 AM

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:35:27 GMT, Fletcher <Fletcher@mercenary.com>
wrote:

>"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote:
>
>> I don't know. I do get ticked when something passed off expressly as true is
>> revealed to be false, especially when it's the crux of the movie. The first
>> time I saw "29th Street" I thought it was one of the best movies I had ever
>> seen until they put up that little "pop up trivia" thing on cable and
>> revealed the truth. That would be like watching a movie like Titanic and
>> finding out later the boat never sank.
>
>I'll bet the whole Milli-Vanilli thing musta put you close to an aneurysm...
>personally, I never understood what the big deal was... obviously a whole lot of
>people liked the record or they wouldn't have purchased it... nor would it have
>been voted a Grammy®... but when it came to light that the guys in the video
>weren't the guys who sang the record they were treated like misfit red headed
>step children... meanwhile the broad in the C+C Music Factory video didn't sing
>on 'Wanna Make You Sweat' and nobody gave a ****... I've never understood that.
>
>I dunno maybe I'm ****ed... but if it entertains me, I really don't give a ****
>if it's real or imaginary... I'm entertained... end of story. I guess I'm just
>not all that voyeuristic or something...

At the Peter Gabriel show, there was a TON of pre roll audio coming
off sequencers and tapes. Some were horrified at this. I thought, get
off yer high horse and listen to the damn music.

Sheesh!

BP

EggHd

08-16-2003, 10:24 AM

The Osbournes have a TV Show?

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shawn

08-18-2003, 09:35 AM

Fletcher wrote:
> I couldn't care less if it's real, fake, or a combination or fantasy
> and reality. My point was, and is, the same as your point.
>
> It's entertainment product... if it's entertaining who cares if it's
> "real" or written.

I care. The fact that it's real (or not) is *part* of the entertainment.
Reality will almost always impress me more. And while there's almost always
some degree of fakery in entertainment, there are degrees of reality -- and
knowing what I'm looking at can make all the difference to me.

It's why I'll always be more impressed by a hong kong action movie (with
stunts/fighting/acrobatics that are well-choreographed and performed by
experienced talent (be they martial artists or whatever) and filmed and
edited simply and effectively) than I will be by some Hollywood knock-off
(where the actor trains for a couple weeks and the scenes are shot
piecemeal, too close to the action, edited to the point of
near-incomprehensibility, and then topped off with a heap of CGI to cover up
for the lack of talent). I like to think there's some talent in front of
the camera, not just in the editing room or at the computer graphics
station.

It's why I'll always be more impressed by the car chases in The French
Connection or The Blues Brothers or Bullitt than I am by the beefed up video
game graphics on display in Fast and Furious, Gone in 60 Seconds, or Matrix
2. I like to know there was somebody on set putting his driving skills and,
to some degree, his ass on the line.

It's why the storming of Aqaba by the arabs in Lawrence of Arabia will
always be more breathtaking than the storming of Helm's Deep by hordes of
digital orcs in Lord of The Rings. Sure, none of it is "real", but knowing
that in Lawrence there were actually hundreds (thousands?) of real people
thundering by the camera on camels and horseback makes my hair stand on end,
rather than my eyes glassing over and me nodding off while the latest in
computer technology poops its way across the screen.

I guess these examples aren't quite the same as the "real vs. written"
question, but the principle is the same: the more unconvincing the fakery,
the less captivating the entertainment. I've only seen a few episodes of
The Osbournes from the first season. I thought they were pretty damn funny.
If I had reason to believe they were scripted, I would have enjoyed them a
lot less.

-Shawn

dt king

08-18-2003, 12:23 PM

"shawn" <sreynoldDELETE@THISsmith.edu> wrote in message
news:3f40f254.0@news.smith.edu...

> I guess these examples aren't quite the same as the "real vs. written"
> question, but the principle is the same: the more unconvincing the
fakery,
> the less captivating the entertainment. I've only seen a few episodes of
> The Osbournes from the first season. I thought they were pretty damn
funny.
> If I had reason to believe they were scripted, I would have enjoyed them
a
> lot less.

I'd never watched an Osbourns all the way through, but I sat through the
last two episodes. I got a particular kick at the end of the last episode
when they zoom back to the whole crew, Ozzy comes out for a curtain call
and says, "So, that's it? I don't have to use the F word any more?" Then
the crew starts packing up the dogs like they're breaking up the set. I
almost expected somebody to get a bottle of mineral oil and start removing
Ozzy's tattoos.

The final episode is just the punchline to the opening credits.

dtk

Ricky W. Hunt

08-18-2003, 01:17 PM

"dt king" <usenet@leztoys.com> wrote in message
news:GQ80b.227$kd3.112@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> "shawn" <sreynoldDELETE@THISsmith.edu> wrote in message
> news:3f40f254.0@news.smith.edu...

> The final episode is just the punchline to the opening credits.

I just watched it and I believe they did the fake episode because they
didn't have anything good to show. After all it's the season finale so it
has to be big. Maybe it shows that it is a reality show by the fact that
that particular week nothing good happened in real life so they made this
up.

BlacklineMusic

08-18-2003, 02:03 PM

They faked the episode to **** with the people that called it fake. The last
bit where Ozzy is supposedly practicing his infamous (I love you all but you're
all ****ing mad) is edited and dubbed over, its actually one scene played over
with new audio. I didn't get the joke at first....

Justin Ulysses Morse

08-18-2003, 02:45 PM

I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before it
aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.

ulysses

Fletcher <Fletcher@mercenary.com> wrote:

> > > What's the ****ing difference? It's "entertainment product"...
> > > you were entertained. It's a ****ing show... who gives a **** if
> > > it's real or imaginary... if it entertained you, it did it's
> > > ****ing job. We're not talking about a lover pretending to be
> > > something they're not... we're talking about a ****ing TV show...
> > > a little perspective might be in order here... maybe?
>
> It's entertainment product... if it's entertaining who cares if it's "real" or
> written.

Charles Thomas

08-18-2003, 02:54 PM

In article <180820031545042106%ulysses@rollmusic.com>,
Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:

> I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
> premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before it
> aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.

ROFL!

Although, seriously, the premise of Gulf War I was mostly bull**** too.

CT

Rob Adelman

08-18-2003, 03:43 PM

Charles Thomas wrote:
> In article <180820031545042106%ulysses@rollmusic.com>,
> Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
>>premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before it
>>aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.
>
>
> ROFL!
>
> Although, seriously, the premise of Gulf War I was mostly bull**** too.
>
> CT

I must disagree. Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going to
start annexing neighboring countries. Sitting by and allowing this to
happen was not an option.

shawn

08-18-2003, 03:48 PM

Rob Adelman wrote:
> Charles Thomas wrote:
>> In article <180820031545042106%ulysses@rollmusic.com>,
>> Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
>>> premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before
>>> it aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.
>>
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>> Although, seriously, the premise of Gulf War I was mostly bull****
>> too.
>>
>> CT
>
> I must disagree. Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going
> to start annexing neighboring countries. Sitting by and allowing this
> to happen was not an option.

Slight correction:

Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going to start destabilizing
the most oil-rich region in the world. Sitting by and allowing this to
happen was not an option.

Charles Thomas

08-18-2003, 04:00 PM

In article <0Mb0b.102024$o27.2294250@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Rob Adelman <radelman@mn.rr.com> wrote:

> I must disagree. Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going to
> start annexing neighboring countries. Sitting by and allowing this to
> happen was not an option.

That certainly is the party line. I'll give you that.

CT

Justin Ulysses Morse

08-18-2003, 09:22 PM

> > Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
> >>I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
> >>premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before it
> >>aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.

> Charles Thomas wrote:
> > Although, seriously, the premise of Gulf War I was mostly bull**** too.

Rob Adelman <radelman@mn.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I must disagree. Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going to
> start annexing neighboring countries. Sitting by and allowing this to
> happen was not an option.

I would agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that the US state
department specifically told Saddam in August 1990 that we wouldn't
interfere.

I don't think it justifies invading another country either, but Iraq
had these items in their defense:
Kuwait and Iraq were historically parts of the same country, divided
very arbitrarily by the British who had no real authority to do so.
Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq.
Iraq had the implied blessing of the US before their invasion. It was
a trick.

ulysses

reddred

08-19-2003, 02:39 AM

"Justin Ulysses Morse" <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote in message
news:180820032222567919%ulysses@rollmusic.com...
> > > Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
> > >>I don't know, I was a little disappointed when I found out the whole
> > >>premise of "Gulf War II" was bull****. But I found that out before it
> > >>aired, and I watched it anyway. So I guess your point is valid.
>
> > Charles Thomas wrote:
> > > Although, seriously, the premise of Gulf War I was mostly bull****
too.
>
> Rob Adelman <radelman@mn.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > I must disagree. Saddam crossed the line when he decided he was going to
> > start annexing neighboring countries. Sitting by and allowing this to
> > happen was not an option.
>
> I would agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that the US state
> department specifically told Saddam in August 1990 that we wouldn't
> interfere.
>
> I don't think it justifies invading another country either, but Iraq
> had these items in their defense:
> Kuwait and Iraq were historically parts of the same country, divided
> very arbitrarily by the British who had no real authority to do so.
> Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq.
> Iraq had the implied blessing of the US before their invasion. It was
> a trick.
>
> ulysses

Hey, stop confusing people with historical fact, it interferes with the free
flow of ideological propaganda.

jb

Romeo Rondeau

08-22-2003, 02:02 AM

Lord, did Sean Hannity piss you guys off again? :-) How the hell does a
discussion of the Osbournes turn into a Bush bashing party?

> > I don't think it justifies invading another country either, but Iraq
> > had these items in their defense:
> > Kuwait and Iraq were historically parts of the same country, divided
> > very arbitrarily by the British who had no real authority to do so.
> > Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq.
> > Iraq had the implied blessing of the US before their invasion. It was
> > a trick.
> >
> > ulysses
>
> Hey, stop confusing people with historical fact, it interferes with the
free
> flow of ideological propaganda.
>
> jb
>
>
>

Jerry Steiger

08-23-2003, 11:45 AM

"Romeo Rondeau" <romeorondeau@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:vkbj0eh49eplb0@corp.supernews.com...
> Lord, did Sean Hannity piss you guys off again? :-) How the hell does a
> discussion of the Osbournes turn into a Bush bashing party?

You mean, you haven't noticed that ANY topic can turn into a Bush bashing
party? It's apparently a lot easier to come up with a Bush bash than it is
to come up with a review of a cut on RAP5.

Jerry Steiger

Romeo Rondeau

08-23-2003, 04:43 PM

Yeah, pretty sad. :-)

"Jerry Steiger" <gwsteiger@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bi898a$6il7s$1@ID-188822.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Romeo Rondeau" <romeorondeau@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:vkbj0eh49eplb0@corp.supernews.com...
> > Lord, did Sean Hannity piss you guys off again? :-) How the hell does a
> > discussion of the Osbournes turn into a Bush bashing party?
>
>
> You mean, you haven't noticed that ANY topic can turn into a Bush bashing
> party? It's apparently a lot easier to come up with a Bush bash than it is
> to come up with a review of a cut on RAP5.
>
> Jerry Steiger
>
>

Ron Capik

08-24-2003, 09:33 AM

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

> Lord, did Sean Hannity piss you guys off again? :-) How the hell does a
> discussion of the Osbournes turn into a Bush bashing party?
>

I think someone on RAP re-wrote Goodwin's Law. ;-)

Ron Capik <<< cynic in training >>>
--

dt king

08-24-2003, 10:43 AM

"Jerry Steiger" <gwsteiger@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bi898a$6il7s$1@ID-188822.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> You mean, you haven't noticed that ANY topic can turn into a Bush bashing
> party? It's apparently a lot easier to come up with a Bush bash than it
is
> to come up with a review of a cut on RAP5.

It would just save so much bandwidth if people appended their signature
lines with either "Bush is a Weenie!" or "No he's not!".

dtk
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