Northeast Blackout 2003 [Archive]

Tony Kujawa

08-15-2003, 08:17 AM

The latest in the blame game is that somewhere on Lake Erie in OH this all
started. I was only out of power for 10 minutes here in Waterville (near
Toledo). My friend up in Ann Arbor wasn't so lucky, he got stuck in an
elevator and had to climb his 280# ass up 4 flights on a service ladder!

Tony

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
most
> of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
theatre
> in a nearby area that had power :-).
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
>
>

AdamC

08-15-2003, 08:55 AM

Hear in Kingston, Ontario my power was out from 4:15pm to 11:30pm. Not too
bad. Ontario was hit hard with every where in Ontario except for like 1 or
2 towns were without power and still are. They say some places might not
get power for another day or two.

We have a water boil advisory, we can't shower, flush our toilets, and can't
use major appliances. We are to expect more outages today as the crews work
very hard to restore the grid. Speaking of grid right now it's very
unstable and weak in this part of the hemisphere,

Luckily I was already home. Not so lucky was I was working on a local
band's demo. I hadn't saved some of the work I did to it so it's all raw
again and I have to start all that work over again. Fun times...NOT

AdamC

--
What sort of skins do you need to record drums? I understand there
are some with microphones built in, but how do these work?
Oh? I was told I had to buy recording heads for the drums - Lister
"Tony Kujawa" <tonykujawa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhipvt$13q7$1@ID-126279.news.uni-berlin.de...
> The latest in the blame game is that somewhere on Lake Erie in OH this all
> started. I was only out of power for 10 minutes here in Waterville (near
> Toledo). My friend up in Ann Arbor wasn't so lucky, he got stuck in an
> elevator and had to climb his 280# ass up 4 flights on a service ladder!
>
> Tony
>
>
> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
> most
> > of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> > anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
> theatre
> > in a nearby area that had power :-).
> >
> > --
> > George Lawrence
> > George's Drum Shop
> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > 330 670 0800
> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >
> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > buy each of his children a drum."
> > -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Pete Pemberton

08-15-2003, 09:00 AM

"Tony Kujawa" <tonykujawa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhipvt$13q7$1@ID-126279.news.uni-berlin.de...
> The latest in the blame game is that somewhere on Lake Erie in OH this all
> started. I was only out of power for 10 minutes here in Waterville (near
> Toledo). My friend up in Ann Arbor wasn't so lucky, he got stuck in an
> elevator and had to climb his 280# ass up 4 flights on a service ladder!
>
> Tony

Didn't touch us down here in Cincy, but the wife had to go in really early
to handle the Cleveland lab.

PP

PaulLundquist

08-15-2003, 10:59 AM

Here in Newtown, CT we lost power 4-ish in the afternoon, and it has
not been restored yet. Unfortunately, power was never lost at my
office (about a half-hour away from home), so here I am. yipee!

PaulLundquist
FastLundy

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for most
> of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie theatre
> in a nearby area that had power :-).
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb

Stephen Nelson

08-15-2003, 12:08 PM

Lost power here in Rochester NY @ 4:15. Back on @ 11:30.
It was fun though: Had a bar-b-que, then got my ass whomped in checkers by
my 6 year old daughter. Ahhh, family time...
Got home early today from work (Xerox). Lots of power spiking and controlled
outages took our servers down for what could be the rest of the day.
------------------------------------------
Steve
www.nelsondrumcraft.com
Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker

"PaulLundquist" <fastlundy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b7c253cf.0308150859.54fb1685@posting.google.c om...
> Here in Newtown, CT we lost power 4-ish in the afternoon, and it has
> not been restored yet. Unfortunately, power was never lost at my
> office (about a half-hour away from home), so here I am. yipee!
>
> PaulLundquist
> FastLundy
>
>
>
> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:<sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> > Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
most
> > of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> > anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
theatre
> > in a nearby area that had power :-).
> >
> > --
> > George Lawrence
> > George's Drum Shop
> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > 330 670 0800
> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >
> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > buy each of his children a drum."
> > -Chinese proverb

Giovanni Chiarini

08-15-2003, 12:24 PM

We were lucky here in Rockland County (NY) as the power went out at 4:14 and
come back at 7:30ish.

Boy, I'm happy I don't live in the city anymore!

Gio

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
most
> of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
theatre
> in a nearby area that had power :-).
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
>
>

JaKe

08-15-2003, 12:57 PM

Stephen Nelson wrote:
>
> Lost power here in Rochester NY @ 4:15. Back on @ 11:30.
> It was fun though: Had a bar-b-que, then got my ass whomped in checkers by
> my 6 year old daughter. Ahhh, family time...
> Got home early today from work (Xerox). Lots of power spiking and controlled
> outages took our servers down for what could be the rest of the day.
> ------------------------------------------
> Steve
> www.nelsondrumcraft.com
> Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker

Talked to my parents in Henrietta this morn and they're back too.

So how are things at Raaachester :-)

Did they catch the robbers that shoot someone in Webster?

--
JaKe, Seattle
"The monk bought lunch"
Jim Morrison

Frisco

08-15-2003, 01:05 PM

Steve -

Where abouts in Rah-cha-cha are you? I checked out your webpage and
it looks VERY interesting. I don't have any edges to be done right
now, but do you do refinishing or lacquer finish repairs too? We
gotta hook up some time, I think I knew a Steve Nelson from
Irondequoit HS that had a cute little sister. That's not you, is it?
;-)

Let me know if you're playing out anywhere, even add me to your
mailing list. My band's real part-time, but we usually hit places
like the Brewhouse, Milestones, Karma, Millenium, etc.

Paul

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:08:34 GMT, "Stephen Nelson"
<carbob@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>Lost power here in Rochester NY @ 4:15. Back on @ 11:30.
>It was fun though: Had a bar-b-que, then got my ass whomped in checkers by
>my 6 year old daughter. Ahhh, family time...
>Got home early today from work (Xerox). Lots of power spiking and controlled
>outages took our servers down for what could be the rest of the day.
>------------------------------------------
>Steve
>www.nelsondrumcraft.com
>Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker
>
>"PaulLundquist" <fastlundy@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:b7c253cf.0308150859.54fb1685@posting.google.c om...
>> Here in Newtown, CT we lost power 4-ish in the afternoon, and it has
>> not been restored yet. Unfortunately, power was never lost at my
>> office (about a half-hour away from home), so here I am. yipee!
>>
>> PaulLundquist
>> FastLundy
>>
>>
>>
>> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:<sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
>> > Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
>most
>> > of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
>> > anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
>theatre
>> > in a nearby area that had power :-).
>> >
>> > --
>> > George Lawrence
>> > George's Drum Shop
>> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
>> > Copley, Ohio 44321
>> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
>> > http://www.Drumguru.com
>> > 330 670 0800
>> > toll free 866 970 0800
>> >
>> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
>> > buy each of his children a drum."
>> > -Chinese proverb
>

Chris Milillo

08-15-2003, 01:59 PM

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
most
> of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
theatre
> in a nearby area that had power :-).

Power is up and running in *most* towns, here, near the
Westchester/Putnam border. I was in-between students in Poughkeepsie at 4:15
when the power went out. I even gave my 4:30 lesson by sunlight in the
showroom of the music store. We then learned the power outage was one of
large scale and closed the store.
I headed home to grab some beers from the fridge before they got warm and
went to a friend's house to hang by the pool. Seems a lot of other people
had the same idea... And that's how Blackout Party 2003 came to be.
Unfortunately, I don't think the commuters in NYC were having blackout
parties. Being in a subway car WITH power can be uncomfortable. I couldn't
imagine getting stuck inside one during a blackout!

Dealt lemons, made lemonade,
CM

Stephen Nelson

08-15-2003, 02:01 PM

They haven't caught the shooter yet. I'm not sure they will, as the person
had a good deal of time to get away before there was any response. I was in
the building next door to the credit union, where it happened. Basically,
when they announced a sitewide emergency on the PA, I stood up from my cube,
looked out the window, saw State Troopers, SWAT, dogs, Federal B. I., etc...
swarming all over the credit union. Then we all got locked in our buildings
for the next 11 hrs. It's been a long week...
------------------------------------------
Steve
www.nelsondrumcraft.com
Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker

"JaKe" <jkdrummer@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F3D2D21.E332551@NOSPAMyahoo.com...
> Stephen Nelson wrote:
> >
> > Lost power here in Rochester NY @ 4:15. Back on @ 11:30.
> > It was fun though: Had a bar-b-que, then got my ass whomped in checkers
by
> > my 6 year old daughter. Ahhh, family time...
> > Got home early today from work (Xerox). Lots of power spiking and
controlled
> > outages took our servers down for what could be the rest of the day.
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Steve
> > www.nelsondrumcraft.com
> > Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker
>
> Talked to my parents in Henrietta this morn and they're back too.
>
> So how are things at Raaachester :-)
>
> Did they catch the robbers that shoot someone in Webster?
>
> --
> JaKe, Seattle
> "The monk bought lunch"
> Jim Morrison

Stephen Nelson

08-15-2003, 02:26 PM

Hi,
I'm about 30 minutes south, down in the Finger Lakes region.

I do ply wrap recovering, domestic/exotic veneer finishes (should have some
snares in a few weeks), bearing edge repair, complete kit builds, custom
snares (surprise!), etc...
As far as lacquer repairs, it really depends on the nature of the injury,
and the type of finish you currently have. I'm sure I could handle a
complete kit strip-down and re-lacquering.
The website needs lots of attention. Stay tuned for pricing, color/finish
samples, payment options, and a pix gallery. Between summertime busy-ness
and equipping the shop, the website kind of got put on the back burner.

Nope, no little sister. Didn't go to Irondequoit High. Not me! :^)

We just started playing again, after having taken all of the last 12 months
off, due to my back injury (Ruptured/fragmented L4 disc that warranted
lumbar laminectomy surgery). We played the Park Ave Fest a few weeks ago
with a great Rochester born, NYC-based singer/songwriter named Dee Adams
(www.deeadams.com), as her regular band couldn't be in town. Big fun.
If you hit our band's website (www.bluejimmy.com) and go to the "Community"
link, you can sign up for our opt-in emailings. Showdates, band news,
recipes, etc...

Anyhoo, to drag this one back on-topic, hopefully everyone will have the
juice pretty soon. Time for the U.S./Canada to upgrade their power grids! I
heard somewhere that in general, the equipment it runs on is WWI vintage?
------------------------------------------
Steve
www.nelsondrumcraft.com
Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker

"Frisco" <pfran1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:6ebqjv038v4njl9pn751fq12pg233vnn5p@4ax.com...
> Steve -
>
> Where abouts in Rah-cha-cha are you? I checked out your webpage and
> it looks VERY interesting. I don't have any edges to be done right
> now, but do you do refinishing or lacquer finish repairs too? We
> gotta hook up some time, I think I knew a Steve Nelson from
> Irondequoit HS that had a cute little sister. That's not you, is it?
> ;-)
>
> Let me know if you're playing out anywhere, even add me to your
> mailing list. My band's real part-time, but we usually hit places
> like the Brewhouse, Milestones, Karma, Millenium, etc.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:08:34 GMT, "Stephen Nelson"
> <carbob@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >Lost power here in Rochester NY @ 4:15. Back on @ 11:30.
> >It was fun though: Had a bar-b-que, then got my ass whomped in checkers
by
> >my 6 year old daughter. Ahhh, family time...
> >Got home early today from work (Xerox). Lots of power spiking and
controlled
> >outages took our servers down for what could be the rest of the day.
> >------------------------------------------
> >Steve
> >www.nelsondrumcraft.com
> >Custom drums : Repair : Bearing edges : Studio tech : Vintage broker
> >
> >"PaulLundquist" <fastlundy@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:b7c253cf.0308150859.54fb1685@posting.google.c om...
> >> Here in Newtown, CT we lost power 4-ish in the afternoon, and it has
> >> not been restored yet. Unfortunately, power was never lost at my
> >> office (about a half-hour away from home), so here I am. yipee!
> >>
> >> PaulLundquist
> >> FastLundy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> >news:<sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> > Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home
for
> >most
> >> > of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> >> > anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
> >theatre
> >> > in a nearby area that had power :-).
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > George Lawrence
> >> > George's Drum Shop
> >> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> >> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> >> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> >> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> >> > 330 670 0800
> >> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >> >
> >> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> >> > buy each of his children a drum."
> >> > -Chinese proverb
> >
>

bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net

08-15-2003, 03:33 PM

George Lawrence <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for most
> of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie theatre
> in a nearby area that had power :-).

Not me. No power out here, but I'm ready. Gas mask and assault
weapon loaded and ready to go right by the door. Anybody
coming for my flashlite batteries GETS IT! :-)

Excuse me, but what the hell has happened to the America
I grew up in? The power goes off for a while and it totally
takes over the news for the evening on all channels? It's
called a "disaster" and a "crisis"? GIMME A BREAK HERE!
A while back a storm blew down my wires and because
I honestly told the power company that they dangling up
high and there was no danger they took a WEEK to fix them!
Last time I do that. Gosh, And I don't need to talk to any
psychologist to "help" me "through" it either!

It's the freaking POWER going off! If you aren't prepared to
make your own, then figure that you'll have to actually
sit there without "Friends" and "CSI" on the tube!
It might do you some good to meditate on how to be ready
for power outages in the future. How about a little
battery TV with a solar cell like I've got? Hmmm?

The talking heads on TV all go around trying to make a
huge emotional issue out of any minor thing. Cripes.
It RAINS and they have interviews with people blubbering
about "horrible strange tiny pieces of water falling from
the sky". Who ever saw THAT before? Scarey! When the weather
service says it might rain, all the local TV stations
take over the screen with giant "warnings" and "alerts"! For
freaking RAIN! Of course they never cover up paying commericals
with "alerts". And the power outage. New Yorkers ACTUALLY
being forced to use their FEET and walk!!! Who'd a thunk it?

I know it chokes me up. Oh The HUMANITY!!! All those
poor people totally helpless without their Internet
service! (sobs) I can't go on....

Someone please bring me a barf bag!

Benj
(Anybody auditioning for "Grumpy Old Men III"?
I think I'm ready)
--
SPAM-Guard! Remove .users (if present) to email me!

morris

08-15-2003, 10:54 PM

>. And the power outage. New Yorkers ACTUALLY
> being forced to use their FEET and walk!!! Who'd a thunk it?

yea, from wall st. to westchester, after being stuck in an elevator
for 4 hours. then you get to walk home for 4-5 hours.
>
> I know it chokes me up. Oh The HUMANITY!!! All those
> poor people totally helpless without their Internet
> service! (sobs) I can't go on....
>
> Someone please bring me a barf bag!

you're a ****ing asshole. don't call me when you want to know where
the really good resteraunts are in NYC. Go to Olive Garden , dick
!!!!!!!

Mark Smith

08-16-2003, 03:48 AM

Before you start shooting your mouth off maybe you should realize that no
power means no water. Kind of a large problem.

- Mark

Pete Pemberton

08-16-2003, 10:49 AM

"Mark Smith" <tracker3@MISTERrogers.com> wrote in message
news:96n%a.197861$hOa.33869@news02.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> Before you start shooting your mouth off maybe you should realize that no
> power means no water. Kind of a large problem.
>
> - Mark
>
>

Here, kitty, kitty....

PP

George Lawrence

08-16-2003, 11:05 AM

Learn to quote who you are replying to. Different browsers make it look as
though you are talking to yourself.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb

"Mark Smith" <tracker3@MISTERrogers.com> wrote in message
news:96n%a.197861$hOa.33869@news02.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> Before you start shooting your mouth off maybe you should realize that no
> power means no water. Kind of a large problem.
>
> - Mark
>
>

MMORITZ884

08-16-2003, 01:12 PM

onedropper sez:
>Go to Olive Garden (bad word)

Mmmmmm, Olive Garden!

Sean Conolly

08-16-2003, 01:21 PM

"AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:%z6%a.2482$q9.155240@read1.cgocable.net...
> Luckily I was already home. Not so lucky was I was working on a local
> band's demo. I hadn't saved some of the work I did to it so it's all raw
> again and I have to start all that work over again. Fun times...NOT

A battery powered UPS is your friend in need. Even a small one will keep the
system up long enough to save everything and do an orderly shutdown. If you
use a laptop you can run for days off a UPS.

Sean

DrumSac

08-17-2003, 08:15 AM

I was in Rockland too at the time - power came back on in Orangeburg
around 8:30pm Thursday night. I had to head in to work at WNYC radio
the next morning at 5am. We were moved into Sirius Satellite Radio's
studios on 49th St. because our studios downtown were dead, and Sirius
had generators. Full power came back to Sirius around 6:30am Friday.
We didn't get the juice back downtown until 9:41 Friday night, right
at the end. I'm back at work now (Sunday 10am) and the
troubleshooting continues...

-Sac

"Giovanni Chiarini" <gio63@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message news:<_z9%a.73351$_R5.28373461@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
> We were lucky here in Rockland County (NY) as the power went out at 4:14 and
> come back at 7:30ish.
>
> Boy, I'm happy I don't live in the city anymore!
>
> Gio
>
> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:sM5%a.7825$Ih1.2588575@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > Everybody along the Hudson OK? I lost power at the shop and at home for
> most
> > of the late afternoon and most of the evening. We basically took the
> > anti-survivalist route and toughed it out at a restaurant and movie
> theatre
> > in a nearby area that had power :-).
> >
> > --
> > George Lawrence
> > George's Drum Shop
> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > 330 670 0800
> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >
> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > buy each of his children a drum."
> > -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Mark Smith

08-17-2003, 07:07 PM

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:mvt%a.8465$Ih1.2822984@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Learn to quote who you are replying to. Different browsers make it look as
> though you are talking to yourself.
>

Learn? LOL. It's not a skill. How do you know I WASN'T talking to myself?

- Mark

Glenn Dowdy

08-17-2003, 07:56 PM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhjjir$o5i$1@tribune.oar.net...

> Excuse me, but what the hell has happened to the America
> I grew up in? The power goes off for a while and it totally
> takes over the news for the evening on all channels? It's
> called a "disaster" and a "crisis"? GIMME A BREAK HERE!

Hear, hear. Thank ghu I don't have TV and put up with all that on-air
whinging.

Glenn D.

bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net

08-18-2003, 12:07 AM

Glenn Dowdy <glenn.dowdy@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> <bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
> news:bhjjir$o5i$1@tribune.oar.net...

>> Excuse me, but what the hell has happened to the America
>> I grew up in? The power goes off for a while and it totally
>> takes over the news for the evening on all channels? It's
>> called a "disaster" and a "crisis"? GIMME A BREAK HERE!

> Hear, hear. Thank ghu I don't have TV and put up with all that on-air
> whinging.

And speaking of the Blackout, I hear that it actually started
somewhere in Ohio. Well THAT figures! We can't even hire someone
who can deliver a freakin' package these days let alone
run a power grid! Welcome to the new millenium! :-)

Benj
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SPAM-Guard! Remove .users (if present) to email me!

Dan Radin

08-18-2003, 06:28 PM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhjjir$o5i$1@tribune.oar.net...
> I know it chokes me up. Oh The HUMANITY!!! All those
> poor people totally helpless without their Internet
> service! (sobs) I can't go on....

If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
your tune.

I was there.

New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after putting
in an eighth hour day.

Glenn Dowdy

08-18-2003, 08:20 PM

"Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in message
news:Kae0b.27075$Vx2.12362433@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com...
> <bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
> news:bhjjir$o5i$1@tribune.oar.net...
> > I know it chokes me up. Oh The HUMANITY!!! All those
> > poor people totally helpless without their Internet
> > service! (sobs) I can't go on....
>
> If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
> your tune.

Nope, don't think so.
>
> I was there.
>
> New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
putting
> in an eighth hour day.
>
Hey, I live at 5000' in a state where people climb 14,000' mountains, camp
in the snow, and sleep on the side of 2000' cliffs for fun. You won't
impress anyone here with _walking_.

Glenn D.

John P.

08-18-2003, 08:59 PM

"Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in a message

> If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
> your tune.
> I was there.
> New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
putting
> in an eighth hour day.

<busting out my violin>

Oh... sob... the horror! Those poor yuppies.

OMG Dan. I'm not sure whether to laugh or just shake my head. Out here in
the far burbs, Farmer Bob walks farther from his tractor to the house just
for lunch, after putting in 7 house BEFORE lunch. Then he walks back out to
do at least another 7 after lunch.

Roger Sherman

08-18-2003, 09:03 PM

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:28:26 +0000, Dan Radin wrote:

>
> New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after putting
> in an eighth hour day.

What are you, kidding?
--

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com

"ooh big comeback from the non fan AKA little drummer boy"

theRob in alt.sports.hockey.nhl.nj-devils

Steve Gardner

08-18-2003, 09:49 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:vog0b.149789$Oz4.40572@rwcrnsc54...
> "Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in a message
>
> > If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> > waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might
change
> > your tune.
> > I was there.
> > New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you
try
> > walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
> putting
> > in an eighth hour day.
>
> <busting out my violin>
>
> Oh... sob... the horror! Those poor yuppies.
>
> OMG Dan. I'm not sure whether to laugh or just shake my head. Out here in
> the far burbs, Farmer Bob walks farther from his tractor to the house just
> for lunch, after putting in 7 house BEFORE lunch. Then he walks back out
to
> do at least another 7 after lunch.
>
>
One of the difference is that Farmer John was prepared to do some walking
and wore the appropriate attire, specifically footwear. Do you think Farmer
John or Mrs. John would walk that in dress shoes? Talk them off an walk
barefoot or in nylons? Not a good comparison.

Steve Gardner

08-18-2003, 09:50 PM

"Roger Sherman" <coolgrooves@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.08.19.03.03.15.120379@hotmail.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:28:26 +0000, Dan Radin wrote:
>
> >
> > New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you
try
> > walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
putting
> > in an eighth hour day.
>
>
> What are you, kidding?
> --
>
> peace,
>
> Rog
>
> http://www.slammingrooves.com
>
> "ooh big comeback from the non fan AKA little drummer boy"
>
> theRob in alt.sports.hockey.nhl.nj-devi

I think he raises agreat point. Walking after an eight hour day is
easy...not if you are caught off guard an unprepared.
>

MMORITZ884

08-18-2003, 10:05 PM

>I think he raises agreat point. Walking after an eight hour day is
>easy...not if you are caught off guard an unprepared.

No kidding. Eight hours of Tetris and Quake can wear you out!

(Have Americans really become such wimps? Apparently so. It's OK to be tired,
and footsore, but sniveling about it is just so -- I don't know -- French!)

John P.

08-18-2003, 10:05 PM

"Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message

> One of the difference is that Farmer John was prepared to do some walking
> and wore the appropriate attire, specifically footwear. Do you think
Farmer
> John or Mrs. John would walk that in dress shoes? Talk them off an walk
> barefoot or in nylons? Not a good comparison.

True enough. I also didn't consider that our poor yuppies, in addition to
being unprepared in the area of footwear, are also likely extremely out of
shape for lack of any physical activity more strenuous than hoisting their
cell phone to their ear.

Sorry man... this farmer John puts in an 8 hour yuppie day (which involves a
great deal of walking I suppose), then comes home and changes his shoes
(just like Mr. Rogers!) and puts in a good night of Farmer John duties. ...
and then play drums for a couple of hours.

Lets see if it's on the board.... BZZZZZZZZ... wrong answer. Still no pity
for yuppies taking a stroll.

Steve Gardner

08-18-2003, 10:14 PM

John P.

08-18-2003, 10:37 PM

"Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message

> I think to classify all who had to walk for miles and miles as "yuppies"
is
> pretty shortsighted.

Why? You think they have a lot of blue collar workers & farmers working in
Manhattan? Got some of them roof gardens going on?

> Many of these folks are yuppies, thats for certain. Many are unhealthy,
disabled,
> pregnant, etc.

Unhealthy (unfit)? For sure.
Disabled... I can sympathize with that.
Pregnant? No sympathy on that one either... it is a voluntary (and foolish)
condition. (Thankfully my dear mother would disagree with me on the
"foolish" part).

> I understand and sympathize with those caught off guard who are not fit
and
> were not prepared at all for this.

Being unprepared is a choice. **** happens. That's life. You have to be
willing to explore options. If it is just a matter of shoes and socks, what
would it take to stop and buy a cheap pair of each? If walking was totally
out of the question, one could (quickly, off the top of my head); Stay where
you are. Stay at a nearby hotel. Buy a bicycle. Pay someone on a motorcycle
to give you a ride.

> I come home from my yuppie job and go for long walks...at my
> convenience. If I were to get notified at work tomorrow that I had to walk
> ten miles home with no preperation, I would be moaning about it.

Then I'd be picking on you for moaning about it. ;-)

"No one ever complained their way to the top." - Don't know who

joem

08-18-2003, 10:47 PM

John P. wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> True enough. I also didn't consider that our poor yuppies, in addition to
> being unprepared in the area of footwear, are also likely extremely out of
> shape for lack of any physical activity more strenuous than hoisting their
> cell phone to their ear.
>
> Sorry man... this farmer John puts in an 8 hour yuppie day (which involves a
> great deal of walking I suppose), then comes home and changes his shoes
> (just like Mr. Rogers!) and puts in a good night of Farmer John duties. ...
> and then play drums for a couple of hours.
>
> Lets see if it's on the board.... BZZZZZZZZ... wrong answer. Still no pity
> for yuppies taking a stroll.

wow. what are you, 5?

next you'll be saying that people working in the twin towers on 9/11
should be happy that they got off of work early!

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

Chris Milillo

08-18-2003, 11:25 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:imh0b.50509$2x.19022@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...
> "Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message
>
> > One of the difference is that Farmer John was prepared to do some
walking
> > and wore the appropriate attire, specifically footwear. Do you think
> Farmer
> > John or Mrs. John would walk that in dress shoes? Talk them off an walk
> > barefoot or in nylons? Not a good comparison.
>
> True enough. I also didn't consider that our poor yuppies, in addition to
> being unprepared in the area of footwear, are also likely extremely out of
> shape for lack of any physical activity more strenuous than hoisting their
> cell phone to their ear.
>
> Sorry man... this farmer John puts in an 8 hour yuppie day (which involves
a
> great deal of walking I suppose), then comes home and changes his shoes
> (just like Mr. Rogers!) and puts in a good night of Farmer John duties.
....
> and then play drums for a couple of hours.

By choice, of course.

> Lets see if it's on the board.... BZZZZZZZZ... wrong answer. Still no pity
> for yuppies taking a stroll.

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who commute from between
25 to 100 miles to NYC everyday? People from Upstate New York, New Jersey,
Connecticut and even Pennsylvania... Our own Mo Roberts had to walk from
Lower Manhattan to Westchester County. That ain't no casual stroll, my
friend. It's more like a marathon - or two marathons, if you live near me.

I think you'd be singing a different tune if your wife or daughter were
stuck in an elevator, or on a subway (ever been in a subway station on a 95
degree day? - not to mention stuck BETWEEN them in a pitch black, rat
infested subway tunnel?). Of course, you'd have no way of contacting her (or
she, you), and she'd have no way of getting home to the burbs, even when she
finally got out. Cell phones and many landlines useless, hotels full, stores
and restaurants closed, no available public transportation, gas stations
useless... I think you can see where I'm going here.

I agree that the media sensationalized the **** out of the whole thing
and we're ALL sick of hearing about it, but your trivialization of the
largest blackout in the history of the North America shows your ignorance of
the situation. And the "Farmer John" comparison is flat-out ridiculous...
It's very easy to heckle from the sidelines.

Stepping down from the soapbox,
CM

joem

08-18-2003, 11:43 PM

Chris Milillo wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
>> and then play drums for a couple of hours.
>
> By choice, of course.
>
>> Lets see if it's on the board.... BZZZZZZZZ... wrong answer. Still no pity
>> for yuppies taking a stroll.
>
> What about the hundreds of thousands of people who commute from between
> 25 to 100 miles to NYC everyday? People from Upstate New York, New Jersey,
> Connecticut and even Pennsylvania... Our own Mo Roberts had to walk from
> Lower Manhattan to Westchester County. That ain't no casual stroll, my
> friend. It's more like a marathon - or two marathons, if you live near me.
>
> I think you'd be singing a different tune if your wife or daughter were
> stuck in an elevator, or on a subway (ever been in a subway station on a 95
> degree day? - not to mention stuck BETWEEN them in a pitch black, rat
> infested subway tunnel?). Of course, you'd have no way of contacting her (or
> she, you), and she'd have no way of getting home to the burbs, even when she
> finally got out. Cell phones and many landlines useless, hotels full, stores
> and restaurants closed, no available public transportation, gas stations
> useless... I think you can see where I'm going here.
>
> I agree that the media sensationalized the **** out of the whole thing
> and we're ALL sick of hearing about it, but your trivialization of the
> largest blackout in the history of the North America shows your ignorance of
> the situation. And the "Farmer John" comparison is flat-out ridiculous...
> It's very easy to heckle from the sidelines.
>
> Stepping down from the soapbox,

well said, Chris. good man!

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

Steve Gardner

08-18-2003, 11:49 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:qQh0b.195647$o%2.91422@sccrnsc02...
> "Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message
>
> > I think to classify all who had to walk for miles and miles as "yuppies"
> is
> > pretty shortsighted.
>
> Why? You think they have a lot of blue collar workers & farmers working in
> Manhattan? Got some of them roof gardens going on?
>
> > Many of these folks are yuppies, thats for certain. Many are unhealthy,
> disabled,
> > pregnant, etc.
>
> Unhealthy (unfit)? For sure.
> Disabled... I can sympathize with that.
> Pregnant? No sympathy on that one either... it is a voluntary (and
foolish)
> condition. (Thankfully my dear mother would disagree with me on the
> "foolish" part).
>
> > I understand and sympathize with those caught off guard who are not fit
> and
> > were not prepared at all for this.
>
> Being unprepared is a choice. **** happens. That's life. You have to be
> willing to explore options. If it is just a matter of shoes and socks,
what
> would it take to stop and buy a cheap pair of each? If walking was totally
> out of the question, one could (quickly, off the top of my head); Stay
where
> you are. Stay at a nearby hotel. Buy a bicycle. Pay someone on a
motorcycle
> to give you a ride.
>
> > I come home from my yuppie job and go for long walks...at my
> > convenience. If I were to get notified at work tomorrow that I had to
walk
> > ten miles home with no preperation, I would be moaning about it.
>
> Then I'd be picking on you for moaning about it. ;-)
>
> "No one ever complained their way to the top." - Don't know who
>
>
Nice troll work John. Done with you.

John P.

08-18-2003, 11:56 PM

"joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in a message

> wow. what are you, 5?

I suppose if I were, I might think that walking was a difficult task.

> next you'll be saying that people working in the twin towers on 9/11
> should be happy that they got off of work early!

Uh, Joe. The lights went out... for a few hours. It was a little warm out
and people had to walk. Dealing with adversity is a part of life. Taking a
little stroll on a summer day hardly qualifies as adversity. Inconvenience,
yes. Adversity, no.

John P.

08-19-2003, 12:05 AM

"Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in a message

> What about the hundreds of thousands of people who commute from between
> 25 to 100 miles to NYC everyday?

Stay where you are. Get a hotel room. Buy a milkshake and relax in the park
for a few hours. Buy a bike. Pay a motorcyclist for a ride....

> I think you'd be singing a different tune if your wife or daughter were
> stuck in an elevator, or on a subway (ever been in a subway station on a
95
> degree day?...

I don't think I sing well, so I'll stick to my same tune. Hundred of
thousands of people were *inconvenienced* for a day. Has my family ever been
inconvenienced? Sure. Do I think it's worth days of whining? No.

> I agree that the media sensationalized the **** out of the whole thing
> and we're ALL sick of hearing about it, but your trivialization of the
> largest blackout in the history of the North America shows your ignorance
of
> the situation.

Actually, it shows that I have a clear understanding of true adversity and a
solid grasp on reality.

John P.

08-19-2003, 12:07 AM

"Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message

> Nice troll work John. Done with you.

Darn. I can't believe I'll have to live without another "anyone who
disagrees with my pathetic whining is a troll" poster. If I buy you some
good walking shoes and promise to rub your feet at the end of the block will
you come back... please please please???

Pfffft.

AMF

George Lawrence

08-19-2003, 12:10 AM

Farmer John boasted: "Sorry man... this farmer John puts in an 8 hour yuppie
day (which involves a
great deal of walking I suppose), then comes home and changes his shoes
(just like Mr. Rogers!) and puts in a good night of Farmer John duties. ...
and then play drums for a couple of hours."

and sound just like John Bonham? :-0
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:imh0b.50509$2x.19022@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...
> "Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message
>
> > One of the difference is that Farmer John was prepared to do some
walking
> > and wore the appropriate attire, specifically footwear. Do you think
> Farmer
> > John or Mrs. John would walk that in dress shoes? Talk them off an walk
> > barefoot or in nylons? Not a good comparison.
>
> True enough. I also didn't consider that our poor yuppies, in addition to
> being unprepared in the area of footwear, are also likely extremely out of
> shape for lack of any physical activity more strenuous than hoisting their
> cell phone to their ear.
>
> Sorry man... this farmer John puts in an 8 hour yuppie day (which involves
a
> great deal of walking I suppose), then comes home and changes his shoes
> (just like Mr. Rogers!) and puts in a good night of Farmer John duties.
....
> and then play drums for a couple of hours.
>
> Lets see if it's on the board.... BZZZZZZZZ... wrong answer. Still no pity
> for yuppies taking a stroll.
>
>

-MIKE-

08-19-2003, 12:13 AM

> wow. what are you, 5?
>
> next you'll be saying that people working in the twin towers on 9/11
> should be happy that they got off of work early!
>
> --
> Joe.

The new Hitler clause of internet debates.

-MIKE-

--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Steve Gardner

08-19-2003, 12:13 AM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:T8j0b.197400$Ho3.26074@sccrnsc03...
> "Steve Gardner" <stevegardnermyclothing@cox.net> wrote in a message
>
> > Nice troll work John. Done with you.
>
> Darn. I can't believe I'll have to live without another "anyone who
> disagrees with my pathetic whining is a troll" poster. If I buy you some
> good walking shoes and promise to rub your feet at the end of the block
will
> you come back... please please please???
>
> Pfffft.
>
> AMF

JOhn- I do not live there. I have not whined. I have taken exception to YOUR
whining about the people there and what happened that day. You generalize,
you have simple solutions(get a room, stop and buy shoes). You make these
statements in hopes of getting a rise out of those who had the misfortune of
experiencing this. That is your motivation...and that is trolling.

-MIKE-

08-19-2003, 12:34 AM

I think both sides are showing some overreaction and a little lack
of understanding. One one hand, yes I would very worried about a
wife or daughter getting home, with no way to contact them and no
way to go get them (I saw the traffic). Most women would have
bloody feet having to walk that far in dress shoes. Many men would
be dehydrated and shaking after 10 miles of walking.

And yes, the media blew it way out of proportion. The took a very
important story and tried to turn it into a catastrophe. They were
reckless and irresponsible. The story, the truth of the story, was
important enough to garner the coverage it got. They didn't have to
play it up the way they did and elude to terrorism every five
minutes.

What impresses me the most is something that I don't think would've
gone the same, before 9-11. They way people were so calm. There
was no wide spread looting, no mass panic and rioting. I'm sure
there were isolated incidents which we'll hear about in three months
on Dateline NBC. But all in all, I think anyone with a hankering
to cause trouble, knew that this *new* New York City would've have
raised up and kicked their asses, had they started anything. It was
great to hear about people pulling together and helping each other,
instead of being selfish. That's impressive and something to be
proud of.

What doesn't impress me is how people are complaining about what a
hardship it was. I have to agree it was a major inconvenience. It
certainly ranks a ten on the pain in the ass scale. But sorry,
spend a week in a third world country-- see what those people have
to go through every single day of their lives, to simply survive--
and you'll be happy to go through what you did, a few times a year.
They got a very tiny taste of what it's like for millions and
millions people who live without transportation, electricity,
sanitation or plumbing, clean water, or any shoes at all. Oh yeah,
and food.

-MIKE-

--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

morris

08-19-2003, 01:04 AM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:<vog0b.149789$Oz4.40572@rwcrnsc54>...
> "Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in a message
>
> > If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> > waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
> > your tune.
> > I was there.
> > New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> > walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
> putting
> > in an eighth hour day.
>
> <busting out my violin>
>
> Oh... sob... the horror! Those poor yuppies.
>
> OMG Dan. I'm not sure whether to laugh or just shake my head. Out here in
> the far burbs, Farmer Bob walks farther from his tractor to the house just
> for lunch, after putting in 7 house BEFORE lunch. Then he walks back out to
> do at least another 7 after lunch.

ha !!!!!!........ from midtown to Jamaica Queens is a lot longer than
your country -ass bull****.........

dickhead.....

Chris Milillo

08-19-2003, 01:15 AM

"morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c153605b.0308182304.1367223a@posting.google.c om...
> "John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:<vog0b.149789$Oz4.40572@rwcrnsc54>...
> > "Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in a message
> >
> > > If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined
up
> > > waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might
change
> > > your tune.
> > > I was there.
> > > New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you
try
> > > walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
> > putting
> > > in an eighth hour day.
> >
> > <busting out my violin>
> >
> > Oh... sob... the horror! Those poor yuppies.
> >
> > OMG Dan. I'm not sure whether to laugh or just shake my head. Out here
in
> > the far burbs, Farmer Bob walks farther from his tractor to the house
just
> > for lunch, after putting in 7 house BEFORE lunch. Then he walks back out
to
> > do at least another 7 after lunch.
>
>
> ha !!!!!!........ from midtown to Jamaica Queens is a lot longer than
> your country -ass bull****.........
>
> dickhead.....

LOL!

"It's funny, cuz it's true" - Homer J. Simpson

CM

bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net

08-19-2003, 01:34 AM

Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:

> If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
> your tune.

Come on Dan. New Yorkers actually having to walk! Yeah that is a REAL
emergency! And people had run their cars so low on gas that they
didn't have enough to get home? How many could that have been. If it
was more than a few that ALSO says something about people needing a
lesson in how America *used* be about self-reliance and not gummint
handouts and Big Brother being there to "save" you.

> I was there.

Good. Did the exercise do you some good? My mom who is over 80
had no power either, but as an old farm girl, it was no big deal.
Has our country come to this? We have to tell ourselves that loss
of power is an "emergency" so we can feel proud of how well we can
cope? This is sad.

> New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after putting
> in an eighth hour day.

Puleeze. They "amazed" you because they could deal with a power outage
and after having practiced twice before, at that! Is this how soft
we've all become? Hey I walk all over the damn place and think
nothing of it. I ride my bike every day and I'm an old geezer!
And an "eighth hour" is probably exactly how much "true" work
some of those people are putting in.

I knew I'd get slammed for being "insensitive" but I'm sorry,
I'm a totally unrepentant sinner.

As for you Dan, Turn of your TV. (And while you are at it shut
off the cable and rip down that satellite dish) put on some
nice comfortable shoes and take a nice long walk. And while
you are out doing that, use your brain a bit to think instead
of letting the TV do it for you. It will strengthen your legs
and improve your double pedal licks.

Benj
(Now where did I put that DVD of "grumpy old men")
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DrumSac

08-19-2003, 08:56 AM

onedropper@earthlink.net (morris) wrote in message news:<c153605b.0308182304.1367223a@posting.google.com>...
> "John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:<vog0b.149789$Oz4.40572@rwcrnsc54>...
> > "Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in a message
> >
> > > If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> > > waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might change
> > > your tune.
> > > I was there.
> > > New Yorkers amazed me with their stength and stability. Why don't you try
> > > walking from Wall Street to Queens or Brooklyn or Long Island after
> putting
> > > in an eighth hour day.
> >
> > <busting out my violin>
> >
> > Oh... sob... the horror! Those poor yuppies.
> >
> > OMG Dan. I'm not sure whether to laugh or just shake my head. Out here in
> > the far burbs, Farmer Bob walks farther from his tractor to the house just
> > for lunch, after putting in 7 house BEFORE lunch. Then he walks back out to
> > do at least another 7 after lunch.
>
>
> ha !!!!!!........ from midtown to Jamaica Queens is a lot longer than
> your country -ass bull****.........
>
> dickhead.....

Yeah, seriously. Go brush your tooth, Jethro.

-Sac in the City

Dan Radin

08-19-2003, 09:37 AM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhsjto$9k8$1@tribune.oar.net...
> Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:
> > If you saw the massive number of people walking, and the people lined up
> > waiting for the power to come back on for the gas pumps, you might
change
> > your tune.
>
> Come on Dan. New Yorkers actually having to walk! Yeah that is a REAL
> emergency! And people had run their cars so low on gas that they
> didn't have enough to get home? How many could that have been. If it
> was more than a few that ALSO says something about people needing a
> lesson in how America *used* be about self-reliance and not gummint
> handouts and Big Brother being there to "save" you.

Once YOU've walked from manhattan to northern new jersey or western
connecticut, then I'll listen to what you're saying. Until then, forget it.

> > I was there.
>
> Good. Did the exercise do you some good?

I'm in fine shape. I ran a half marathon two weekends ago. I'm sure carrying
all of my brother's worldly possessions down the pitch black stairs was
rough on my dad. I'm not complaining. I was fine. But I do have compassion
for all those people I saw streaming across the bridges without any idea how
they were getting home to an outer borough, town, or even a different state.
I have compassion for those who were trapped in packed rush hour elevators.
I have compassion for those who were trapped in the trains we saw stopped
along the tracks and the ones we heard about trapped in the tunnels. Maybe
these are everyday occurences for you, but I guess I'm just not interested
in living in your world. From what I saw, there was no looting, no violence.
The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of New
Yorkers for their strength and stability. If you're not, then so be it. I
didn't grow up on a farm, and I'm proud that my parents and grandparents
worked hard so I didn't have to.

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 10:00 AM

"Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in message
news:ivr0b.27270$Vx2.12544796@newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com...

> I'm in fine shape. I ran a half marathon two weekends ago. I'm sure
carrying
> all of my brother's worldly possessions down the pitch black stairs was
> rough on my dad.

Rough? I'm sure it was. But was it really _that_ bad? It was just one day in
a long life.

> I have compassion for those who were trapped in packed rush hour
elevators.
> I have compassion for those who were trapped in the trains we saw stopped
> along the tracks and the ones we heard about trapped in the tunnels.

Yep, that sure would suck. I'd hate for it to happen to me. Miserable as
hell, sure. But not a life-changing tragedy.

> Maybe
> these are everyday occurences for you, but I guess I'm just not interested
> in living in your world. From what I saw, there was no looting, no
violence.

Dan: there ain't supposed to be. Reminds me of a Chris Rock routine: "I take
care of my kids. I ain't _never_ been in jail".

> The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of
New
> Yorkers for their strength and stability.

I'm glad there was no violence and that all y'all feel good about
yourselves. It's hard to impress us Westerners though; out here we got folks
that will cut their own arms off with a leatherman tool, bandage the stump
and walk miles for help.

Glenn D.

John P.

08-19-2003, 12:15 PM

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in a message

> and sound just like John Bonham? :-0

When I was 12. I'm past that now! ;-)

John P.

08-19-2003, 12:43 PM

"morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in a message

> ha !!!!!!........ from midtown to Jamaica Queens is a lot longer than
> your country -ass bull****.........

When we'd do practice landings at Camp Lejeune, NC. After the final landing,
rather than coming back aboard ship for a ride back to the base, the Marines
would walk back from the landing site. ... carrying all their gear .... 36
miles .... in combat boots.

When I was in Beirut, we'd *run* six miles from our camp on the beach,
around the airport, to go get breakfast.

.... and no one in NY *had* to walk anywhere.

> dickhead.....

Obviously a well thought out response. You seem well versed in the art of
debate. I bow to the master.

John P.

08-19-2003, 12:44 PM

"DrumSac" <drumsac@yahoo.com> wrote in a message

> Yeah, seriously. Go brush your tooth, Jethro.

Ooohh... Owwww... I'm speechless. I can't tell who is the more intelligent
of the two, you or Morris. Then again, I was never much good with fractions.
;-)

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 12:45 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Ycu0b.53608$2x.20775@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...
>
> When we'd do practice landings at Camp Lejeune, NC. After the final
landing,
> rather than coming back aboard ship for a ride back to the base, the
Marines
> would walk back from the landing site. ... carrying all their gear .... 36
> miles .... in combat boots.
>
> When I was in Beirut, we'd *run* six miles from our camp on the beach,
> around the airport, to go get breakfast.
>
> ... and no one in NY *had* to walk anywhere.
>
>
> Obviously a well thought out response. You seem well versed in the art of
> debate. I bow to the master.
>
Jiminy. Who screwed up and taught jarheads to read and write? ;)

Glenn D.

John P.

08-19-2003, 01:03 PM

"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote in a message

> Jiminy. Who screwed up and taught jarheads to read and write? ;)

I don't think anyone did... I was in the Navy on the ship that dropped the
grunts off. :-D

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 01:34 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:jwu0b.152566$It4.77152@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att. net...
> "Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote in a message
>
> > Jiminy. Who screwed up and taught jarheads to read and write? ;)
>
> I don't think anyone did... I was in the Navy on the ship that dropped the
> grunts off. :-D
>
Hey, you know why the Navy has Marines on board ship?

Wait for it...

Here it comes...

Because sheep would be too obvious.

Glenn D., ex-Army

John P.

08-19-2003, 01:43 PM

"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote in a message

> Because sheep would be too obvious.

Are you implying we *didn't* also have sheep onboard?? :-O

morris

08-19-2003, 03:25 PM

"John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:<Ycu0b.53608$2x.20775@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
> "morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in a message
>
> > ha !!!!!!........ from midtown to Jamaica Queens is a lot longer than
> > your country -ass bull****.........
>
> When we'd do practice landings at Camp Lejeune, NC. After the final landing,
> rather than coming back aboard ship for a ride back to the base, the Marines
> would walk back from the landing site. ... carrying all their gear .... 36
> miles .... in combat boots.

oooh..... tough guy..you and tim o'brian. next time do it in heels
like the secrataries did. maybe i'll be impressed.
>
> When I was in Beirut, we'd *run* six miles from our camp on the beach,
> around the airport, to go get breakfast.

>
> ... and no one in NY *had* to walk anywhere.
>
and how the **** were they supposed to get home to their wife and
kids? Asshole....

> > dickhead.....
>
> Obviously a well thought out response. You seem well versed in the art of
> debate. I bow to the master.

good, now **** yourself.

morris

08-19-2003, 03:26 PM

oops..

Tim O'Brien, not O'Brian

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 03:35 PM

"morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c153605b.0308191325.2e29dd46@posting.google.c om...
> "John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:<Ycu0b.53608$2x.20775@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
> >
> > When we'd do practice landings at Camp Lejeune, NC. After the final
landing,
> > rather than coming back aboard ship for a ride back to the base, the
Marines
> > would walk back from the landing site. ... carrying all their gear ....
36
> > miles .... in combat boots.
>
> oooh..... tough guy..you and tim o'brian. next time do it in heels
> like the secrataries did. maybe i'll be impressed.

Why in the heck were they wearing high heels?

Glenn D.

morris

08-19-2003, 07:04 PM

"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<PKw0b.2803$vL3.2468@news.cpqcorp.net>...
> "morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:c153605b.0308191325.2e29dd46@posting.google.c om...
> > "John P." <JohnP6617@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<Ycu0b.53608$2x.20775@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
> > >
> > > When we'd do practice landings at Camp Lejeune, NC. After the final
> landing,
> > > rather than coming back aboard ship for a ride back to the base, the
> Marines
> > > would walk back from the landing site. ... carrying all their gear ....
> 36
> > > miles .... in combat boots.
> >
> > oooh..... tough guy..you and tim o'brian. next time do it in heels
> > like the secrataries did. maybe i'll be impressed.
>
> Why in the heck were they wearing high heels?
>
to stomp on all the rats in the subway tunnels ( you see, they knew
there'd be a power outage and they'd get stuck...oh forget it....)

morris

08-19-2003, 07:06 PM

nothing of it. I ride my bike every day and I'm an old geezer!
> And an "eighth hour" is probably exactly how much "true" work
> some of those people are putting in.
>
Goddamn, what is your ****ing problem?

Chris Milillo

08-19-2003, 07:54 PM

"morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c153605b.0308191706.4255b818@posting.google.c om...
> nothing of it. I ride my bike every day and I'm an old geezer!
> > And an "eighth hour" is probably exactly how much "true" work
> > some of those people are putting in.
> >
> Goddamn, what is your ****ing problem?

Come on, Mo... You know they're just jealous. :-) Especially grumpy old
Ben, who NEVER wastes an opportunity to rag New York(ers). I'll leave you
with a quote from my friend Berk, who was visiting from the Netherlands two
weeks ago: "Well, New York City really is the center of the world. It really
is."

CM

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 08:35 PM

"morris" <onedropper@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c153605b.0308191704.69c42bf3@posting.google.c om...
> "Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<PKw0b.2803$vL3.2468@news.cpqcorp.net>...

> >
> > Why in the heck were they wearing high heels?
> >
> to stomp on all the rats in the subway tunnels ( you see, they knew
> there'd be a power outage and they'd get stuck...oh forget it....)

Oh, come on. I know New Yorkers are tough, but so are NY rats. I thought you
needed ordnance to deal with those suckers.

Glenn D.

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 08:36 PM

"Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:bhukdr$4gp$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> Come on, Mo... You know they're just jealous. :-) Especially grumpy
old
> Ben, who NEVER wastes an opportunity to rag New York(ers). I'll leave you
> with a quote from my friend Berk, who was visiting from the Netherlands
two
> weeks ago: "Well, New York City really is the center of the world. It
really
> is."
>
Close, but not quite. West Point is the center of the world; just ask any
graduate.

Glenn D.

ramalane

08-19-2003, 09:03 PM

"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:x8B0b.106586$0v4.7487748@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
:
: "Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
: news:bhukdr$4gp$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
:
: > Come on, Mo... You know they're just jealous. :-) Especially grumpy
: old
: > Ben, who NEVER wastes an opportunity to rag New York(ers). I'll leave
you
: > with a quote from my friend Berk, who was visiting from the Netherlands
: two
: > weeks ago: "Well, New York City really is the center of the world. It
: really
: > is."
: >
: Close, but not quite. West Point is the center of the world; just ask any
: graduate.

Charleston, South Carolina, is the center of the world "where the Ashley and
Cooper rivers meet to form the Atlantic Ocean." And on a funny note, the
year that The Citadel beat Army in football, the Charleston Post and Courier
ran a quote from the commandant (Gen. Mark Clark) as a banner:

"THE GREATEST WIN SINCE OUR BOYS FIRED ON FORT SUMTER!"

:o)

/ramalane

--
In my beloved state of South Carolina
sending or accepting a challenge to duel
is a misdemeanor, as is carrying or deliver-
ing that challenge to another party...
"Hell, I've got $300! Let's throw down!" -Ramalane

bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net

08-19-2003, 09:23 PM

Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:
> From what I saw, there was no looting, no violence.
> The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of New
> Yorkers for their strength and stability. If you're not, then so be it.

Now this is more like it! I NEVER said that I wasn't proud of
New Yorkers pulling together, getting each other out of stuck
elevators and subways in a friendly, organized and most
*un-New Yorker* (hard evidence being found in previous outages)
fashion. Yep. That was great!

However, to hype a simple power outage into a huge imaginary
"disaster" and "crisis" and get all bleary-eyed over it to
me means your imaginary world is one that I'll never be
living in.

Benj
(start singing: Two different worlds...la la la!)
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Dan Radin

08-19-2003, 09:40 PM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhupjs$oe7$1@tribune.oar.net...
> Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:
> > From what I saw, there was no looting, no violence.
> > The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of
New
> > Yorkers for their strength and stability. If you're not, then so be it.
>
> Now this is more like it! I NEVER said that I wasn't proud of
> New Yorkers pulling together, getting each other out of stuck
> elevators and subways in a friendly, organized and most
> *un-New Yorker* (hard evidence being found in previous outages)
> fashion. Yep. That was great!
>
> However, to hype a simple power outage into a huge imaginary
> "disaster" and "crisis" and get all bleary-eyed over it to
> me means your imaginary world is one that I'll never be
> living in.

Hey, I never said anything about disaster, tragedy, crisis, etc. Just the
facts, ma'am.

Glenn Dowdy

08-19-2003, 09:43 PM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhupjs$oe7$1@tribune.oar.net...
> Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:
> > From what I saw, there was no looting, no violence.
> > The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of
New
> > Yorkers for their strength and stability. If you're not, then so be it.
>
> Now this is more like it! I NEVER said that I wasn't proud of
> New Yorkers pulling together, getting each other out of stuck
> elevators and subways in a friendly, organized and most
> *un-New Yorker* (hard evidence being found in previous outages)
> fashion. Yep. That was great!
>
You mean they acted like normal decent human beings? Damn, they musta been
in shock or somthing.

Glenn D., taking the piss.

Steve Gardner

08-19-2003, 10:02 PM

<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhupjs$oe7$1@tribune.oar.net...
> Dan Radin <danradin@snet.net> wrote:
> > From what I saw, there was no looting, no violence.
> > The city pulled together in a calm, organized fashion, and I'm proud of
New
> > Yorkers for their strength and stability. If you're not, then so be it.
>
> Now this is more like it! I NEVER said that I wasn't proud of
> New Yorkers pulling together, getting each other out of stuck
> elevators and subways in a friendly, organized and most
> *un-New Yorker* (hard evidence being found in previous outages)
> fashion. Yep. That was great!
>
> However, to hype a simple power outage into a huge imaginary
> "disaster" and "crisis" and get all bleary-eyed over it to
> me means your imaginary world is one that I'll never be
> living in.
>
> Benj
> (start singing: Two different worlds...la la la!)
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Sure are driving this point hard, aren't ya Benj?