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Kurt Albershardt
08-15-2003, 04:22 PM
For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his response
to yesterday's events:


THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90
MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED OFF OUR LIGHTS

by Greg Palast

I can tell you all about the ne'er-do-wells that put out our lights
tonight. I came up against these characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power
Company -- some years back. You see, before I was a journalist, I worked
for a living, as an investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s,
"NiMo" built a nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece
of hot junk for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to
New York State's electricity ratepayers.

To pull off this grand theft by kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium
fabricated cost and schedule reports, then performed a Harry Potter job
on the account books. In 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive
from one partner, Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho
on how to lie to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay
$4.3 billion and, ultimately, put them out of business.

And that's why, if you're in the Northeast, you're reading this by
candlelight tonight. Here's what happened. After LILCO was hammered by
the law, after government regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens
of other book-cooking, document-doctoring utility companies all over
America with fines and penalties totaling in the tens of billions of
dollars, the industry leaders got together to swear never to break the
regulations again. Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to
ELIMINATE the rules. They called it "deregulation."

It was like a committee of bank robbers figuring out how to make
safecracking legal. But they dare not launch the scheme in the USA.
Rather, in 1990, one devious little bunch of operators out of Texas,
Houston Natural Gas, operating under the alias "Enron," talked an
over-the-edge free-market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret
Thatcher, into licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in
the hemisphere.

And so began an economic disease called "regulatory reform" that spread
faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded Thatcher's Energy Minister,
one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of dollar bills for 'consulting'
services and a seat on Enron's board of directors. The English
experiment proved the viability of Enron's new industrial formula: that
the enthusiasm of politicians for deregulation was in direct proportion
to the payola provided by power companies.

The power elite first moved on England because they knew Americans
wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily. The USA had gotten
used to cheap power available at the flick of switch. This was the
legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933, caged the man he thought to
be the last of the power pirates, Samuel Insull. Wall Street
wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust, and six decades before
Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off consumers. To frustrate
Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal Power Commission and the
Public Utilities Holding Company Act which told electricity companies
where to stand and salute. Detailed regulations limited charges to real
expenditures plus a government-set profit. The laws banned "power
markets" and required companies to keep the lights on under threat of
arrest -- no blackout blackmail to hike rates.

Of particular significance as I write here in the dark, regulators told
utilities exactly how much they had to spend to insure the system stayed
in repair and the lights stayed on. Bureaucrats crawled along the wire
and, like me, crawled through the account books, to make sure the power
execs spent customers' money on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd
whack'm over the head with our thick rule books. Did we get in the way
of these businessmen's entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did.

Most important, FDR banned political contributions from utility
companies -- no 'soft' money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD.

But then came George the First. In 1992, just prior to his departure
from the White House, President Bush Senior gave the power industry one
long deep-through-the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of
electricity. It was a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the
gratitude of power companies which ponied up $16 million for the
Republican campaign of 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats.

But Poppy Bush's gift of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the
feds only got the power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer.
For the big payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There
were only two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican
enough to put the electricity market con into operation.

California fell first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a
1998 referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the
de-reg scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating
the campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the
deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that deregulation
would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when San Diegans in the
first California city to go "lawless" looked at their bills, the 20%
savings became a 300% jump in surcharges.

Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one
life-time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident
about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it controlled
at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to keep the Golden
State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights." Enron and its
comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine, yanking out the
bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed "auctions" for electricity
held by the state, Enron bid, in one instance, to supply 500 megawatts
of electricity over a 15 megawatt line. That's like pouring a gallon of
gasoline into a thimble -- the lines would burn up if they attempted it.
Faced with blackout because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was
willing to pay anything to keep the lights on.

And the state did. According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the
California state Independent System Operator which directed power
movements, between May and November 2000, three power giants physically
or "economically" withheld power from the state and concocted enough
false bids to cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess
charges.

It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden
Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find
his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban
Enron from the market.

But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't have to wait long to put their
hooks back into the treasure chest. Within seventy-two hours of moving
into the White House, while he was still sweeping out the inaugural
champagne bottles, George Bush the Second reversed Clinton's executive
order and put the power pirates back in business in California. Enron,
Reliant (aka Houston Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the
others who had economically snipped California's wires knew they could
count on Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the
richest deregulation deal in America.

Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made it to New York where Republican
Governor George Pataki and his industry-picked utility commissioners
ripped the lid off electric bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara
Mohawk of the expensive obligation to properly fund the maintenance of
the grid system.

And the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have
former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in Heaven:
They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent National
Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and pocket most
of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders approaching $90
million.

Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck, no, not to us in the field
who've watched Bush's buddies flick the switches across the globe. In
Brazil, Houston Industries seized ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric
company. The Texans (aided by their French partners) fired workers,
raised prices, cut maintenance expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went
out so often the locals now call it, "Rio Dark."

So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara Mohawk raised prices, slashed
staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! -- New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages.

Californians have found the solution to the deregulation disaster:
re-call the only governor in the nation with the cojones to stand up to
the electricity price fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov.
Gray Davis stood alone against the bad guys without using a body double.
Davis called Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll
walk the plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders.

So where's the President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe
Lincoln, the White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing
the foe that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for
yet more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no
sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California.

Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if the
truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we change the
dim bulb in the White House.

-----

Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best
Democracy Money Can Buy" (Penguin USA 2003) and the worstseller,
"Democracy and Regulation," a guide to electricity deregulation
published by the United Nations (2003, written with T. MacGregor and J.
Oppenheim). See Greg Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television
and the Guardian papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast
at his New York office: media@gregpalast.com.

transducr
08-16-2003, 12:56 AM
great article. still haven't read palast's book, although my friends
have highly recommended it to me. i opted instead to read a few
fiction novels as this stuff infuriates and depresses me too much. i
have to balance it out with a little "lighter" reading...sorry, didn't
realize the pun until after i typed it...

Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message news:<1060986151.107185@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net>...
> For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
> excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his response
> to yesterday's events:
>
>
> THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90
> MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED OFF OUR LIGHTS
>
> by Greg Palast
>
> I can tell you all about the ne'er-do-wells that put out our lights
> tonight. I came up against these characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power
> Company -- some years back. You see, before I was a journalist, I worked
> for a living, as an investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s,
> "NiMo" built a nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece
> of hot junk for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to
> New York State's electricity ratepayers.
>
> To pull off this grand theft by kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium
> fabricated cost and schedule reports, then performed a Harry Potter job
> on the account books. In 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive
> from one partner, Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho
> on how to lie to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay
> $4.3 billion and, ultimately, put them out of business.
>
> And that's why, if you're in the Northeast, you're reading this by
> candlelight tonight. Here's what happened. After LILCO was hammered by
> the law, after government regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens
> of other book-cooking, document-doctoring utility companies all over
> America with fines and penalties totaling in the tens of billions of
> dollars, the industry leaders got together to swear never to break the
> regulations again. Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to
> ELIMINATE the rules. They called it "deregulation."
>
> It was like a committee of bank robbers figuring out how to make
> safecracking legal. But they dare not launch the scheme in the USA.
> Rather, in 1990, one devious little bunch of operators out of Texas,
> Houston Natural Gas, operating under the alias "Enron," talked an
> over-the-edge free-market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret
> Thatcher, into licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in
> the hemisphere.
>
> And so began an economic disease called "regulatory reform" that spread
> faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded Thatcher's Energy Minister,
> one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of dollar bills for 'consulting'
> services and a seat on Enron's board of directors. The English
> experiment proved the viability of Enron's new industrial formula: that
> the enthusiasm of politicians for deregulation was in direct proportion
> to the payola provided by power companies.
>
> The power elite first moved on England because they knew Americans
> wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily. The USA had gotten
> used to cheap power available at the flick of switch. This was the
> legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933, caged the man he thought to
> be the last of the power pirates, Samuel Insull. Wall Street
> wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust, and six decades before
> Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off consumers. To frustrate
> Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal Power Commission and the
> Public Utilities Holding Company Act which told electricity companies
> where to stand and salute. Detailed regulations limited charges to real
> expenditures plus a government-set profit. The laws banned "power
> markets" and required companies to keep the lights on under threat of
> arrest -- no blackout blackmail to hike rates.
>
> Of particular significance as I write here in the dark, regulators told
> utilities exactly how much they had to spend to insure the system stayed
> in repair and the lights stayed on. Bureaucrats crawled along the wire
> and, like me, crawled through the account books, to make sure the power
> execs spent customers' money on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd
> whack'm over the head with our thick rule books. Did we get in the way
> of these businessmen's entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did.
>
> Most important, FDR banned political contributions from utility
> companies -- no 'soft' money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD.
>
> But then came George the First. In 1992, just prior to his departure
> from the White House, President Bush Senior gave the power industry one
> long deep-through-the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of
> electricity. It was a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the
> gratitude of power companies which ponied up $16 million for the
> Republican campaign of 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats.
>
> But Poppy Bush's gift of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the
> feds only got the power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer.
> For the big payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There
> were only two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican
> enough to put the electricity market con into operation.
>
> California fell first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a
> 1998 referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the
> de-reg scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating
> the campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the
> deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that deregulation
> would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when San Diegans in the
> first California city to go "lawless" looked at their bills, the 20%
> savings became a 300% jump in surcharges.
>
> Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one
> life-time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident
> about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it controlled
> at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to keep the Golden
> State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights." Enron and its
> comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine, yanking out the
> bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed "auctions" for electricity
> held by the state, Enron bid, in one instance, to supply 500 megawatts
> of electricity over a 15 megawatt line. That's like pouring a gallon of
> gasoline into a thimble -- the lines would burn up if they attempted it.
> Faced with blackout because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was
> willing to pay anything to keep the lights on.
>
> And the state did. According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the
> California state Independent System Operator which directed power
> movements, between May and November 2000, three power giants physically
> or "economically" withheld power from the state and concocted enough
> false bids to cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess
> charges.
>
> It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden
> Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find
> his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban
> Enron from the market.
>
> But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't have to wait long to put their
> hooks back into the treasure chest. Within seventy-two hours of moving
> into the White House, while he was still sweeping out the inaugural
> champagne bottles, George Bush the Second reversed Clinton's executive
> order and put the power pirates back in business in California. Enron,
> Reliant (aka Houston Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the
> others who had economically snipped California's wires knew they could
> count on Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the
> richest deregulation deal in America.
>
> Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made it to New York where Republican
> Governor George Pataki and his industry-picked utility commissioners
> ripped the lid off electric bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara
> Mohawk of the expensive obligation to properly fund the maintenance of
> the grid system.
>
> And the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have
> former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in Heaven:
> They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent National
> Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and pocket most
> of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders approaching $90
> million.
>
> Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck, no, not to us in the field
> who've watched Bush's buddies flick the switches across the globe. In
> Brazil, Houston Industries seized ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric
> company. The Texans (aided by their French partners) fired workers,
> raised prices, cut maintenance expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went
> out so often the locals now call it, "Rio Dark."
>
> So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara Mohawk raised prices, slashed
> staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! -- New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages.
>
> Californians have found the solution to the deregulation disaster:
> re-call the only governor in the nation with the cojones to stand up to
> the electricity price fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov.
> Gray Davis stood alone against the bad guys without using a body double.
> Davis called Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll
> walk the plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders.
>
> So where's the President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe
> Lincoln, the White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing
> the foe that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for
> yet more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no
> sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California.
>
> Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if the
> truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we change the
> dim bulb in the White House.
>
> -----
>
> Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best
> Democracy Money Can Buy" (Penguin USA 2003) and the worstseller,
> "Democracy and Regulation," a guide to electricity deregulation
> published by the United Nations (2003, written with T. MacGregor and J.
> Oppenheim). See Greg Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television
> and the Guardian papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast
> at his New York office: media@gregpalast.com.

Les Cargill
08-16-2003, 01:49 AM
Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
> excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his response
> to yesterday's events:
>
<snip>

Blaming Enron for all this is far, far too simple a solution. We has
met the enemy, and it is Us.

But hey what they hey, it worked in Ca.

Enron made exactly one error - they thought it could all be Managed. It
can't. But they simply recreated the same error that was implied by
the whole concept of the times.

You can run Ken Lay up the flagpole all you want to, and still the system
remains unchanged. You have no legitimate right to expect any different
than you've already got.

It may well be that the solution in energy is much like the solution
in food - simply overproduce such that any momentary shortages will be
covered up be reserves.

But I think not. Sometimes you can twang a guitar string *just so* and
something completely different happens. This was like that.

Remeber: Somebody Else Will Pay For It. It's Not My Problem. I Don't
Know What To Do About It.

--
Les Cargill

David Quave
08-16-2003, 06:35 AM
Funny How Greg just seems to past 8 years up known as the Clinton Years.
This would have more credability if he would also report what went on
during that time.Actually this is the period where deregulation really
took off.Did not President Clinton have many meetings with the head CEO
of Enron to discuss deregulation?Sounds like Greg is an advisor for
Hillary.




In <ac00ffb8.0308152256.1aa1ec2c@posting.google.com> transducr wrote:
> great article. still haven't read palast's book, although my friends
> have highly recommended it to me. i opted instead to read a few
> fiction novels as this stuff infuriates and depresses me too much. i
> have to balance it out with a little "lighter" reading...sorry, didn't
> realize the pun until after i typed it...
>
> Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message news:<1060986151.
> 107185@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net>...
>> For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
>> excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his
>> response to yesterday's events: THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED
>> 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90 MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED
>> OFF OUR LIGHTS by Greg Palast I can tell you all about the ne'er-do-
>> wells that put out our lights tonight. I came up against these
>> characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power Company -- some years back.
>> You see, before I was a journalist, I worked for a living, as an
>> investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s, "NiMo" built a
>> nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece of hot junk
>> for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to New
>> York State's electricity ratepayers. To pull off this grand theft by
>> kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium fabricated cost and schedule
>> reports, then performed a Harry Potter job on the account books. In
>> 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive from one partner,
>> Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho on how to lie
>> to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay $4.3 billion
>> and, ultimately, put them out of business. And that's why, if you're
>> in the Northeast, you're reading this by candlelight tonight. Here's
>> what happened. After LILCO was hammered by the law, after government
>> regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens of other book-cooking,
>> document-doctoring utility companies all over America with fines and
>> penalties totaling in the tens of billions of dollars, the industry
>> leaders got together to swear never to break the regulations again.
>> Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to ELIMINATE the rules.
>> They called it "deregulation." It was like a committee of bank
>> robbers figuring out how to make safecracking legal. But they dare
>> not launch the scheme in the USA. Rather, in 1990, one devious
>> little bunch of operators out of Texas, Houston Natural Gas,
>> operating under the alias "Enron," talked an over-the-edge free-
>> market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, into
>> licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in the
>> hemisphere. And so began an economic disease called "regulatory
>> reform" that spread faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded
>> Thatcher's Energy Minister, one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of
>> dollar bills for 'consulting' services and a seat on Enron's board
>> of directors. The English experiment proved the viability of Enron's
>> new industrial formula: that the enthusiasm of politicians for
>> deregulation was in direct proportion to the payola provided by
>> power companies. The power elite first moved on England because they
>> knew Americans wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily.
>> The USA had gotten used to cheap power available at the flick of
>> switch. This was the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933,
>> caged the man he thought to be the last of the power pirates, Samuel
>> Insull. Wall Street wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust,
>> and six decades before Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off
>> consumers. To frustrate Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal
>> Power Commission and the Public Utilities Holding Company Act which
>> told electricity companies where to stand and salute. Detailed
>> regulations limited charges to real expenditures plus a government-
>> set profit. The laws banned "power markets" and required companies
>> to keep the lights on under threat of arrest -- no blackout
>> blackmail to hike rates. Of particular significance as I write here
>> in the dark, regulators told utilities exactly how much they had to
>> spend to insure the system stayed in repair and the lights stayed on.
>> Bureaucrats crawled along the wire and, like me, crawled through the
>> account books, to make sure the power execs spent customers' money
>> on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd whack'm over the head with
>> our thick rule books. Did we get in the way of these businessmen's
>> entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did. Most important, FDR
>> banned political contributions from utility companies -- no 'soft'
>> money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD. But then came George the
>> First. In 1992, just prior to his departure from the White House,
>> President Bush Senior gave the power industry one long deep-through-
>> the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of electricity. It was
>> a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the gratitude of power
>> companies which ponied up $16 million for the Republican campaign of
>> 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats. But Poppy Bush's gift
>> of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the feds only got the
>> power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer. For the big
>> payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There were only
>> two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican enough
>> to put the electricity market con into operation. California fell
>> first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a 1998
>> referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the de-reg
>> scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating the
>> campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the
>> deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that
>> deregulation would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when
>> San Diegans in the first California city to go "lawless" looked at
>> their bills, the 20% savings became a 300% jump in surcharges.
>> Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one life-
>> time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident
>> about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it
>> controlled at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to
>> keep the Golden State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights."
>> Enron and its comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine,
>> yanking out the bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed
>> "auctions" for electricity held by the state, Enron bid, in one
>> instance, to supply 500 megawatts of electricity over a 15 megawatt
>> line. That's like pouring a gallon of gasoline into a thimble -- the
>> lines would burn up if they attempted it. Faced with blackout
>> because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was willing to pay
>> anything to keep the lights on. And the state did. According to Dr.
>> Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state Independent
>> System Operator which directed power movements, between May and
>> November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically"
>> withheld power from the state and concocted enough false bids to
>> cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges.
>> It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the
>> Golden Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster,
>> to find his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California
>> and ban Enron from the market. But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't
>> have to wait long to put their hooks back into the treasure chest.
>> Within seventy-two hours of moving into the White House, while he
>> was still sweeping out the inaugural champagne bottles, George Bush
>> the Second reversed Clinton's executive order and put the power
>> pirates back in business in California. Enron, Reliant (aka Houston
>> Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the others who had
>> economically snipped California's wires knew they could count on
>> Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the richest
>> deregulation deal in America. Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made
>> it to New York where Republican Governor George Pataki and his
>> industry-picked utility commissioners ripped the lid off electric
>> bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara Mohawk of the expensive
>> obligation to properly fund the maintenance of the grid system. And
>> the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have
>> former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in
>> Heaven: They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent
>> National Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and
>> pocket most of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders
>> approaching $90 million. Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck,
>> no, not to us in the field who've watched Bush's buddies flick the
>> switches across the globe. In Brazil, Houston Industries seized
>> ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric company. The Texans (aided by
>> their French partners) fired workers, raised prices, cut maintenance
>> expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went out so often the locals now
>> call it, "Rio Dark." So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara
>> Mohawk raised prices, slashed staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! --
>> New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages. Californians have found the
>> solution to the deregulation disaster: re-call the only governor in
>> the nation with the cojones to stand up to the electricity price
>> fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov. Gray Davis stood
>> alone against the bad guys without using a body double. Davis called
>> Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll walk the
>> plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders. So where's the
>> President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe Lincoln, the
>> White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing the foe
>> that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for yet
>> more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no
>> sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California.
>>
>> Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if
>> the truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we
>> change the dim bulb in the White House. ----- Palast is the author
>> of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (
>> Penguin USA 2003) and the worstseller, "Democracy and Regulation," a
>> guide to electricity deregulation published by the United Nations (
>> 2003, written with T. MacGregor and J. Oppenheim). See Greg
>> Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television and the Guardian
>> papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast at his New
>> York office: media@gregpalast.com.
>

Paul
08-16-2003, 07:22 AM
rec.audio.pro

Just keep repeating that to yourself.

Kurt Albershardt
08-17-2003, 12:07 PM
David Quave wrote:

> Funny How Greg just seems to past 8 years up known as the Clinton Years.
> This would have more credability if he would also report what went on
> during that time.Actually this is the period where deregulation really
> took off.

Don't worry--he takes a few shots at Clinton in his book.

transducr
08-18-2003, 05:16 AM
paul@scorestudio.com (Paul) wrote in message news:<9cde3583.0308160522.4a089b62@posting.google.com>...
> rec.audio.pro
>
> Just keep repeating that to yourself.

Ha!

i do that every morning...nothing to do with the newsgroup, i just
find the sound of the words soothing for some reason.

in all seriousness, i thought about attaching an "OT" to my original
reply, but i figured then the thread would show up twice and the
subject line seems pretty obvious as far it being "off topic"...

transducr
08-18-2003, 05:18 AM
the article didn't really seem to point to the finger at enron so much
as mention it (and the company that subsequently became Enron) along
with a host of others that have contributed to the mess before us.



Les Cargill <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3F3DE41D.597C7B18@worldnet.att.net>...
> Kurt Albershardt wrote:
> >
> > For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
> > excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his response
> > to yesterday's events:
> >
> <snip>
>
> Blaming Enron for all this is far, far too simple a solution. We has
> met the enemy, and it is Us.
>
> But hey what they hey, it worked in Ca.
>
> Enron made exactly one error - they thought it could all be Managed. It
> can't. But they simply recreated the same error that was implied by
> the whole concept of the times.
>
> You can run Ken Lay up the flagpole all you want to, and still the system
> remains unchanged. You have no legitimate right to expect any different
> than you've already got.
>
> It may well be that the solution in energy is much like the solution
> in food - simply overproduce such that any momentary shortages will be
> covered up be reserves.
>
> But I think not. Sometimes you can twang a guitar string *just so* and
> something completely different happens. This was like that.
>
> Remeber: Somebody Else Will Pay For It. It's Not My Problem. I Don't
> Know What To Do About It.

Roger W. Norman
08-19-2003, 06:13 AM
Actually, no. From the same article you're commenting on

"It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden
Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find his
lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban Enron from
the market."

Which, from the same article, came about because

"According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state
Independent System Operator which directed power movements, between May and
November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically" withheld
power from the state and concocted enough false bids to cost the California
customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges. "

This is my definition of blackout blackmail that appears to be an emminent
possibility in a deregulated enviornment. I'd have to say that it appears
this way across the "deregulated" board. The airlines get deregulated,
fares go down, sure, but then the one thing that should preclude fare wars
is to ensure the security of people flying in your planes. So deregulation
of the airlines industry basically lead to it's minimal efforts to provides
security for you and yours. In power it's becoming very obvious that too
few people have insight and input into what the power structure is like and
have built in way too many single points of failure which are not secure.
And just as obviously they can do this because they can, in fact, employ
blackout blackmail. The Nealz Nuze reference earlier included Neal's waste
of words diatribe about more generation of power, when in fact, it's not the
generational aspect of the power, it's the inability of the grid to take a
hit when full power is running. More power wouldn't have helped in this
past situation. If fact, 9 nuclear generating plants had to shutdown
(scramble) in order to not cause greater damage than was already done. It's
now Tuesday after and none of those nuclear generators are up yet. And it
will take a full 24 hours for them to ramp up and phase into the system
again. That will make this a 5 day event. The New York Times building
still doesn't have power. Hmmm...

The one thing I've noticed is that deregulation ultimately gives fewer
people more control over the deregulated industry, although openly it's
called commerce and a likely outcome of lesser profitable companies being
taken over by larger, more profitable companies. Deregulation struck in the
airlines industry, power, now the broadcasting industry, and as we continue
along this line, those people in the very few that benefit from the
deregulations are those self same people who make decisions based on the
bottom line without just concern over the consequences of their bottom line
mentality. And their great wealth and power puts them into play as part of
the policy makers within this administration, which apparently only bodes
well for them, not for America. Gives one pause.
--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See
how far $20 really goes.




"David Quave" <dquave@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:20030816073558666-0500@news.cableone.net...
> Funny How Greg just seems to past 8 years up known as the Clinton Years.
> This would have more credability if he would also report what went on
> during that time.Actually this is the period where deregulation really
> took off.Did not President Clinton have many meetings with the head CEO
> of Enron to discuss deregulation?Sounds like Greg is an advisor for
> Hillary.
>
>
>
>
> In <ac00ffb8.0308152256.1aa1ec2c@posting.google.com> transducr wrote:
> > great article. still haven't read palast's book, although my friends
> > have highly recommended it to me. i opted instead to read a few
> > fiction novels as this stuff infuriates and depresses me too much. i
> > have to balance it out with a little "lighter" reading...sorry, didn't
> > realize the pun until after i typed it...
> >
> > Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message news:<1060986151.
> > 107185@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net>...
> >> For those who haven't haed the pleasure of reading Greg Palast's
> >> excellent book, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," here is his
> >> response to yesterday's events: THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED
> >> 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90 MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED
> >> OFF OUR LIGHTS by Greg Palast I can tell you all about the ne'er-do-
> >> wells that put out our lights tonight. I came up against these
> >> characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power Company -- some years back.
> >> You see, before I was a journalist, I worked for a living, as an
> >> investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s, "NiMo" built a
> >> nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece of hot junk
> >> for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to New
> >> York State's electricity ratepayers. To pull off this grand theft by
> >> kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium fabricated cost and schedule
> >> reports, then performed a Harry Potter job on the account books. In
> >> 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive from one partner,
> >> Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho on how to lie
> >> to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay $4.3 billion
> >> and, ultimately, put them out of business. And that's why, if you're
> >> in the Northeast, you're reading this by candlelight tonight. Here's
> >> what happened. After LILCO was hammered by the law, after government
> >> regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens of other book-cooking,
> >> document-doctoring utility companies all over America with fines and
> >> penalties totaling in the tens of billions of dollars, the industry
> >> leaders got together to swear never to break the regulations again.
> >> Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to ELIMINATE the rules.
> >> They called it "deregulation." It was like a committee of bank
> >> robbers figuring out how to make safecracking legal. But they dare
> >> not launch the scheme in the USA. Rather, in 1990, one devious
> >> little bunch of operators out of Texas, Houston Natural Gas,
> >> operating under the alias "Enron," talked an over-the-edge free-
> >> market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, into
> >> licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in the
> >> hemisphere. And so began an economic disease called "regulatory
> >> reform" that spread faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded
> >> Thatcher's Energy Minister, one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of
> >> dollar bills for 'consulting' services and a seat on Enron's board
> >> of directors. The English experiment proved the viability of Enron's
> >> new industrial formula: that the enthusiasm of politicians for
> >> deregulation was in direct proportion to the payola provided by
> >> power companies. The power elite first moved on England because they
> >> knew Americans wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily.
> >> The USA had gotten used to cheap power available at the flick of
> >> switch. This was the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933,
> >> caged the man he thought to be the last of the power pirates, Samuel
> >> Insull. Wall Street wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust,
> >> and six decades before Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off
> >> consumers. To frustrate Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal
> >> Power Commission and the Public Utilities Holding Company Act which
> >> told electricity companies where to stand and salute. Detailed
> >> regulations limited charges to real expenditures plus a government-
> >> set profit. The laws banned "power markets" and required companies
> >> to keep the lights on under threat of arrest -- no blackout
> >> blackmail to hike rates. Of particular significance as I write here
> >> in the dark, regulators told utilities exactly how much they had to
> >> spend to insure the system stayed in repair and the lights stayed on.
> >> Bureaucrats crawled along the wire and, like me, crawled through the
> >> account books, to make sure the power execs spent customers' money
> >> on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd whack'm over the head with
> >> our thick rule books. Did we get in the way of these businessmen's
> >> entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did. Most important, FDR
> >> banned political contributions from utility companies -- no 'soft'
> >> money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD. But then came George the
> >> First. In 1992, just prior to his departure from the White House,
> >> President Bush Senior gave the power industry one long deep-through-
> >> the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of electricity. It was
> >> a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the gratitude of power
> >> companies which ponied up $16 million for the Republican campaign of
> >> 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats. But Poppy Bush's gift
> >> of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the feds only got the
> >> power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer. For the big
> >> payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There were only
> >> two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican enough
> >> to put the electricity market con into operation. California fell
> >> first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a 1998
> >> referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the de-reg
> >> scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating the
> >> campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the
> >> deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that
> >> deregulation would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when
> >> San Diegans in the first California city to go "lawless" looked at
> >> their bills, the 20% savings became a 300% jump in surcharges.
> >> Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one life-
> >> time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident
> >> about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it
> >> controlled at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to
> >> keep the Golden State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights."
> >> Enron and its comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine,
> >> yanking out the bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed
> >> "auctions" for electricity held by the state, Enron bid, in one
> >> instance, to supply 500 megawatts of electricity over a 15 megawatt
> >> line. That's like pouring a gallon of gasoline into a thimble -- the
> >> lines would burn up if they attempted it. Faced with blackout
> >> because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was willing to pay
> >> anything to keep the lights on. And the state did. According to Dr.
> >> Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state Independent
> >> System Operator which directed power movements, between May and
> >> November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically"
> >> withheld power from the state and concocted enough false bids to
> >> cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges.
> >> It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the
> >> Golden Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster,
> >> to find his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California
> >> and ban Enron from the market. But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't
> >> have to wait long to put their hooks back into the treasure chest.
> >> Within seventy-two hours of moving into the White House, while he
> >> was still sweeping out the inaugural champagne bottles, George Bush
> >> the Second reversed Clinton's executive order and put the power
> >> pirates back in business in California. Enron, Reliant (aka Houston
> >> Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the others who had
> >> economically snipped California's wires knew they could count on
> >> Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the richest
> >> deregulation deal in America. Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made
> >> it to New York where Republican Governor George Pataki and his
> >> industry-picked utility commissioners ripped the lid off electric
> >> bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara Mohawk of the expensive
> >> obligation to properly fund the maintenance of the grid system. And
> >> the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have
> >> former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in
> >> Heaven: They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent
> >> National Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and
> >> pocket most of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders
> >> approaching $90 million. Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck,
> >> no, not to us in the field who've watched Bush's buddies flick the
> >> switches across the globe. In Brazil, Houston Industries seized
> >> ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric company. The Texans (aided by
> >> their French partners) fired workers, raised prices, cut maintenance
> >> expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went out so often the locals now
> >> call it, "Rio Dark." So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara
> >> Mohawk raised prices, slashed staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! --
> >> New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages. Californians have found the
> >> solution to the deregulation disaster: re-call the only governor in
> >> the nation with the cojones to stand up to the electricity price
> >> fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov. Gray Davis stood
> >> alone against the bad guys without using a body double. Davis called
> >> Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll walk the
> >> plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders. So where's the
> >> President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe Lincoln, the
> >> White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing the foe
> >> that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for yet
> >> more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no
> >> sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California.
> >>
> >> Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if
> >> the truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we
> >> change the dim bulb in the White House. ----- Palast is the author
> >> of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (
> >> Penguin USA 2003) and the worstseller, "Democracy and Regulation," a
> >> guide to electricity deregulation published by the United Nations (
> >> 2003, written with T. MacGregor and J. Oppenheim). See Greg
> >> Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television and the Guardian
> >> papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast at his New
> >> York office: media@gregpalast.com.
> >

Les Cargill
08-19-2003, 07:43 AM
"Roger W. Norman" wrote:
>
> Actually, no. From the same article you're commenting on
>
> "It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden
> Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find his
> lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban Enron from
> the market."
>
> Which, from the same article, came about because
>
> "According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state
> Independent System Operator which directed power movements, between May and
> November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically" withheld
> power from the state and concocted enough false bids to cost the California
> customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges. "
>

So why is it always California that has this problem?

There was a guy no Nightline some years back from the Mid-Atlantic
Electric Coop who pointed out, with some detail, exactly how
the California dereg was hosed up. It was the usual "dereg
the demand without deregulating the supply" thing, same thing
that happened with the CLEC service providers in telecomm. It's
generally acknowleged that the 1996 Act pretty much set the
CLECs up to fail, such as what did fail.

California is this giant sink for people, power, water, air
and money. It's a dang disaster waiting to happen, and
the kind of hysterical political stuff you see out there now
is no longer even surprising. I mean, "It's Chinatown,
Jake".

I see nothing from any report that indicates that this failure
was anything more than one like the 1965 (?) failure - and
I've read an IEEE report that shrugs and says "things happens" -
they'll never be able to absolutely model the entire system.
Wish I'd kept that one, now.

It is entirely possible that deregulation cannot be made
to work for some profound economic reason, but there's really
no good reason I can think of that electricity cannot be a
commodity. The carrier *network* cannot be a commodity, but it
can be a tarriffed sort of commons.

Fome what I've read, the main point of failure in railroad
transport was regulation. Drove the price up to where the
Interstate system became more economic.

I dunnno from what is the best model. I just know there are
people who have systems that more or less work. They exist,
why not model from them? Maybe the extra cost from
regulated systems is worth it. Maybe it ain't.

Calling Konspiracy on Enron is goofy. Yes, fewer people
have control. You ever mixed with fourteen people in the
control room? :) No question, Enron did some Bad things, but
using them as some sort of movie uber-villain serves nobody.
You cannot cheat an honest man.

<snip>


--
Les Cargill

ScotFraser
08-19-2003, 09:58 AM
<< The airlines get deregulated,
fares go down, sure, but then the one thing that should preclude fare wars
is to ensure the security of people flying in your planes. >>

Actually, fares go down between the hub cities, & service is eliminated between
many secondary & tertiary cities. One thing federal regulation involved was the
demand that small markets be served, in return for guaranteed profits
elsewhere.


Scott Fraser

ScotFraser
08-19-2003, 10:11 AM
<< there's really
no good reason I can think of that electricity cannot be a
commodity. >>

It could & ideally should be, but the problem with an unregulated free market
is that it inevitably becomes just the opposite, an anti-competitive syndicate
of a few super powerful mega players who manipulate the market for even greater
profit at the expense of the rate payer. If there were truly competition in the
energy market, supply & demand would stabilize, prices would be just slightly
above costs, & innovation would provide the advantages of uninterrupted
efficient service. Just doesn't happen in the real world of capitalism, though.


Scott Fraser

Chip Wood
08-19-2003, 01:52 PM
I was on a Delta flight last week and in their on-board mag, the chairman
was crying about the higher costs of operating a "Hub" system, where Delta
is the prime and largest offender, vs the lower-costing "point to point"
systems like Southwest. I remember they touted the Hub system early on as
the way of the future to save people money, now they are saying they have
to charge higher prices because it costs more to run and want the Fed Gov to
regulate the point to point guys to charge more. Really weird!


"ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030819115850.23133.00000368@mb-m05.aol.com...
> << The airlines get deregulated,
> fares go down, sure, but then the one thing that should preclude fare wars
> is to ensure the security of people flying in your planes. >>
>
> Actually, fares go down between the hub cities, & service is eliminated
between
> many secondary & tertiary cities. One thing federal regulation involved
was the
> demand that small markets be served, in return for guaranteed profits
> elsewhere.
>
>
> Scott Fraser

Roger W. Norman
08-20-2003, 06:46 AM
Ah, well we do agree in some circimstances! <g>

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See
how far $20 really goes.




"ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030819121115.23133.00000370@mb-m05.aol.com...
> << there's really
> no good reason I can think of that electricity cannot be a
> commodity. >>
>
> It could & ideally should be, but the problem with an unregulated free
market
> is that it inevitably becomes just the opposite, an anti-competitive
syndicate
> of a few super powerful mega players who manipulate the market for even
greater
> profit at the expense of the rate payer. If there were truly competition
in the
> energy market, supply & demand would stabilize, prices would be just
slightly
> above costs, & innovation would provide the advantages of uninterrupted
> efficient service. Just doesn't happen in the real world of capitalism,
though.
>
>
> Scott Fraser

Les Cargill
08-20-2003, 08:03 AM
ScotFraser wrote:
>
> << there's really
> no good reason I can think of that electricity cannot be a
> commodity. >>
>
> It could & ideally should be, but the problem with an unregulated free market
> is that it inevitably becomes just the opposite, an anti-competitive syndicate
> of a few super powerful mega players who manipulate the market for even greater
> profit at the expense of the rate payer. If there were truly competition in the
> energy market, supply & demand would stabilize, prices would be just slightly
> above costs, & innovation would provide the advantages of uninterrupted
> efficient service. Just doesn't happen in the real world of capitalism, though.
>
> Scott Fraser

Dunno. One of the things about something like capitalism is that the
people who "cheat" need to be identified and ostracized, or it won't
work.
--
Les Cargill