Which format is better? Midi or mp3?

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[A=MidiMan]

"Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Totally wrong question... sorry!
MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.

A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical instrument
or a PC soundcard connected.
A mp3 can be played by any suitable player

A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
time you change the instrument(s) connected.
A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.

A midifile cannot contain any human voice
A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.

You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
Bye
A=MM

[Tim]

mp3 is also a 'lossy compression' format, which means that the audio does
not contain everything in the data of the original recording. Therefore for
making music using midi for keyboards, composition, etc... and WAV
(uncompressed audio - or AIFF on a Mac) for the recorded audio would be the
best of both worlds
"A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
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>
> "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> Totally wrong question... sorry!
> MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
> MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
>
> A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical
instrument
> or a PC soundcard connected.
> A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
>
> A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
> time you change the instrument(s) connected.
> A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
>
> A midifile cannot contain any human voice
> A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
>
> You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
> Bye
> A=MM
>
>

[Phuoc Can HUA]

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Better? better in what (e.g. sound)? better for who?
The fact is... MIDI is much small, therefore better to store and transfer.
The fact is... MP3 can record any kind of sounds while MIDI has only
limited sound effects.

I will say... MIDI is like a book. You read the story and you generate your
own movie. MP3 is like a movie. You watch it as it is. So, it's hard to say
whether a book is better than a movie generally.

BTW, I'm not a book reader but a MIDI lover :-)

Phuoc Can HUA


On 16 Aug 2003 21:36:29 GMT, Roseb441702 <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> wrote:

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[cpsnox]

you really shouldn't compare the two.

MIDI is great if you want to play something based only on instruments. It's like perfectly playing a tab... on a lot of instruments. That's why classical music plays good on MIDI.

MP3 is great for your everyday pop music. you can actually set the compression of an MP3, and Tim, it's not lossy as it is. if you probably compress something to like 64kbps, then it will loose a lot of it's original data. but if you do 192 or 320kbps... it may sound exactly as your CDA files. (it removes the parts that the human ear can't hear)

[Alex Van Starrex]

a good mod (rare) can be better still

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"A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
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>
> "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> Totally wrong question... sorry!
> MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
> MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
>
> A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical
instrument
> or a PC soundcard connected.
> A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
>
> A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
> time you change the instrument(s) connected.
> A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
>
> A midifile cannot contain any human voice
> A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
>
> You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
> Bye
> A=MM
>
>

[Paul]

I would have though that a MIDI is like a microsoft word document that you
can edit and print out where as the MP3 is like the printed result....


"Andre" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:53 +1000, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
>
> > a good mod (rare) can be better still
>
> I would guess, taking Phuoc's analogy (that a MIDI file is like a book,
and
> MP3 like a movie) further, a mod would be a book with pictures ;-)
>
> -
> Andre'

[Lina och Niall]

"Paul" <wf1000xg@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> I would have though that a MIDI is like a microsoft word document that you
> can edit and print out where as the MP3 is like the printed result....

Nah, MP3 is like a slighly blurry photocopy of the result.
A "WAV" would be the quality printed result

I guess a MOD would be something like heiroglyphics?
A document where the words are made up of pictures

This answer is very similar to an over-extended analogy ;o)


>
>
> "Andre" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
> news:w8jta5ujhw2z.1m6lgcenv6s76$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:53 +1000, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
> >
> > > a good mod (rare) can be better still
> >
> > I would guess, taking Phuoc's analogy (that a MIDI file is like a book,
> and
> > MP3 like a movie) further, a mod would be a book with pictures ;-)
> >
> > -
> > Andre'
>
>

[Lewandowski Rémi]

Hello

Hey this question is stupid ...


what is the best between an old black and white movies without sounds or a
brand new MATRIX movie in 5.1 or DTS ?

midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size


"Alex Van Starrex" <avanstar@tig.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
news:bii2ac$8ru$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> a good mod (rare) can be better still
>
> --
> ---
>
> The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
> http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm
>
> My main web-site:
> http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar
>
> My mp3 site:
> http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/
>
> My RealVideo site:
> http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html
>
> Now available: "Musical Graffiti - The Original Music-Site in a Zip-File".
> 100 MED-MODs (around 25 hours of music) in a 3.8 MB zip-file.
> (may be downloaded, uploaded and posted anywhere)
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
> news:lJx%a.91899$cl3.2849209@news2.tin.it...
> >
> > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >
> > Totally wrong question... sorry!
> > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
> > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
> >
> > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical
> instrument
> > or a PC soundcard connected.
> > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
> >
> > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different
any
> > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
> > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
> >
> > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
> > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
> >
> > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
> > Bye
> > A=MM
> >
> >
>
>

[Lina och Niall]

"Lewandowski Rémi" <viper54710@yahoo.fr> skrev i meddelandet
news:bim0gb$c6k$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr...

> midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
> mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size

It depends what instrument the MIDI is played through. I think the previous
analogies in this thread (with the possible exception of my last
contribution) are more helpful...


>
>
> "Alex Van Starrex" <avanstar@tig.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
> news:bii2ac$8ru$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > a good mod (rare) can be better still
> >
> > --
> > ---
> >
> > The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
> > http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm
> >
> > My main web-site:
> > http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar
> >
> > My mp3 site:
> > http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/
> >
> > My RealVideo site:
> > http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html
> >
> > Now available: "Musical Graffiti - The Original Music-Site in a
Zip-File".
> > 100 MED-MODs (around 25 hours of music) in a 3.8 MB zip-file.
> > (may be downloaded, uploaded and posted anywhere)
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
> > news:lJx%a.91899$cl3.2849209@news2.tin.it...
> > >
> > > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > >
> > > Totally wrong question... sorry!
> > > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
> > > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
> > >
> > > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical
> > instrument
> > > or a PC soundcard connected.
> > > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
> > >
> > > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different
> any
> > > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
> > > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
> > >
> > > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
> > > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
> > >
> > > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
> > > Bye
> > > A=MM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Günter Nagler]

"Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
> midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
> mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size

No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
more close to a notesheet description than sound).

The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
the sound.
Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
later without need of recording the well played parts again.

mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
choosed and can include voice and noises.
mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
midi is one part used in the middle of recording process

if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
their equipment.
Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
users might not get similiar sounds.
Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.

Günter

[Seemerk]

Günter,
I have been following this topic in the group and as an older rock
keyboardist who recalls playing more than two boards at once meant you
needed another hand or set of hands, (lead singers) I was just about ready
to give my two cents on the subject. It appears that you have said it all,
and said it very well I might add.

Sometimes when looking for answers it's best to return to the basics, MIDI
= Musical Instrument Data Interface
KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Carl

"Günter Nagler" <gnagler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
news:3F4F0108.2342F1@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at...
> "Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
> > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
> > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size
>
> No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
> device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
> more close to a notesheet description than sound).
>
> The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
> the sound.
> Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
> additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
> That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
> later without need of recording the well played parts again.
>
> mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
> modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
> choosed and can include voice and noises.
> mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
> uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
> midi is one part used in the middle of recording process
>
> if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
> the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
> good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
> that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
> their equipment.
> Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
> synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
> users might not get similiar sounds.
> Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
> the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.
>
> Günter

[CDIK]

"Seemerk" <seemerk@cox.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:iPH3b.33492$nf3.32212@fed1read07...
> Günter,
> I have been following this topic in the group and as an older rock
> keyboardist who recalls playing more than two boards at once meant you
> needed another hand or set of hands, (lead singers) I was just about ready
> to give my two cents on the subject. It appears that you have said it
all,
> and said it very well I might add.
>
> Sometimes when looking for answers it's best to return to the basics,
MIDI
> = Musical Instrument Data Interface

MIDI= Musical Instrument Digital Interface





> KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
> Carl
>
> "Günter Nagler" <gnagler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
> news:3F4F0108.2342F1@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at...
> > "Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
> > > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
> > > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size
> >
> > No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
> > device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
> > more close to a notesheet description than sound).
> >
> > The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
> > the sound.
> > Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
> > additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
> > That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
> > later without need of recording the well played parts again.
> >
> > mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
> > modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
> > choosed and can include voice and noises.
> > mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
> > uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
> > midi is one part used in the middle of recording process
> >
> > if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
> > the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
> > good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
> > that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
> > their equipment.
> > Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
> > synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
> > users might not get similiar sounds.
> > Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
> > the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.
> >
> > Günter
>
>

[Alex Van Starrex]

I'm still surprised how competitive (and often superior) a simple 8-bit
sample-based mod can be, compared to both.

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The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm

My main web-site:
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar

My mp3 site:
http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/

My RealVideo site:
http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html

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"cpsnox" <cpsnox.shti5@spamfree.net> wrote in message
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>
> you really shouldn't compare the two.
>
> MIDI is great if you want to play something based only on instruments.
> It's like perfectly playing a tab... on a lot of instruments. That's
> why classical music plays good on MIDI.
>
> MP3 is great for your everyday pop music. you can actually set the
> compression of an MP3, and Tim, it's not lossy as it is. if you
> probably compress something to like 64kbps, then it will loose a lot of
> it's original data. but if you do 192 or 320kbps... it may sound
> exactly as your CDA files. (it removes the parts that the human ear
> can't hear)
>
>
> --
> cpsnox
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[IU]

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
>>
>> you really shouldn't compare the two.
>>
That's true. It depends what you're goin' to do?

It's also true that some classical pieces sounds great as MIDI files depending
of course the synthesis used by soundcard and the manufacturer of that chip
producing sound from MIDI data.

[Eloise]

There is some general information on the differences between Midi & MP3 that you
might find useful at http://www.mp3-midi-software.com

Eloise