Roy Buchanan's "Live Stock"

[JMK]

Been listening to this a lot lately.

Oh my God.

That is all.

JMK

[PCollen]

jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote in message news:<16073cbc.0308171916.586db08b@posting.google.com>...
> Been listening to this a lot lately.
>
> Oh my God.
>
> That is all.
>
> JMK

It's a great album, if you are appreciative of Roy's style of playing.

[Jeff Liberatore]

"JMK" <jkaihatu@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:16073cbc.0308171916.586db08b@posting.google.c om...
> Been listening to this a lot lately.
>
> Oh my God.
>
> That is all.

Good stuff... No overdubs. Haven't heard that for a long time.

Ahhhh... the memories.

Jeff

[Atlas]

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On 17 Aug 2003 20:16:30 -0700, jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote:

>Been listening to this a lot lately.
>
>Oh my God.
>
>That is all.

Is that the 1974 recording with Billy Price on lead vocals?



Atlas

[Jon]

Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before or
after.

JMK wrote:

> Been listening to this a lot lately.
>
> Oh my God.
>
> That is all.
>
> JMK

[JMK]

Jon <texasrocker1@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:<3F414C3F.42D04B05@cox-internet.com>...
> Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before or
> after.

Yep, he could.

What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master." I've played
a few Teles and never found them particularly difficult to
play.

JMK

[Stephan Neuhaus]

JMK wrote:
> What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
> describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
> master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master."

Maybe that's because it doesn't rhyme. For example, there is the Strat
Cat (at least I heard that on Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop), which is
probably the Strat equivalent of a Telecaster Master.

That said, I can't come up with anything that Rhymes with Les Paul or
PRS :-)

Fun,

Stephan
--
Stephan Neuhaus
University of the Saarland, Department of Computer Science
Experimental Software Security at the Chair of Software Engineering
Web: http://www.st.cs.uni-sb.de/~neuhaus

[PCollen]

Stephan Neuhaus <neuhaus@cs.uni-sb.de> wrote in message news:<bhv6p1$1bnab$1@hades.rz.uni-saarland.de>...
> JMK wrote:
> > What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
> > describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
> > master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master."
>
> Maybe that's because it doesn't rhyme. For example, there is the Strat
> Cat (at least I heard that on Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop), which is
> probably the Strat equivalent of a Telecaster Master.
>
> That said, I can't come up with anything that Rhymes with Les Paul or
> PRS :-)
>
> Fun,
>
> Stephan

"Know-it-All of the Les Paul" (aka Jason Hamilton Taylor)

[rmielech@infionline.net]

On 19 Aug 2003 20:22:42 -0700, jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote:

>Jon <texasrocker1@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:<3F414C3F.42D04B05@cox-internet.com>...
>> Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before or
>> after.
>
>Yep, he could.
>
>What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
>describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
>master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master." I've played
>a few Teles and never found them particularly difficult to
>play.
>
>JMK

Many people consider a tele an "unforgiving" guitar, which I take to
mean it's just as happy to showcase your limitations as well as your
strong points. I use my tele to warm up with, but when I'm ready to
play I pull out the SG and start some serious pluckin'. It doesn't
work as well the other way around. I think Gibsons tend to hide your
faults and Fenders illuminate them.. Teles and strats have to be
approached with some respect for the danger they represent for that
reason. You have to go with those guitars to get their sounds, but my
SG is easier to play, probably because of the wider fretboard and the
smoother action. I can take chances with that guitar that I wouldn't
take with a Fender unless I was having a real good night. I don't have
big fingers but I still have to be careful about making contact with
other strings while soloing. Of course, that's a given on any guitar,
but it's still more of an issue for me on a Fender. I'm sure everybody
has their own take on this, but a Gibson gives me better playability
and a better chance to sound good. And for those times when only a
Fender will do, I do play them. Carefully.

[Zorro_2K]

<rmielech@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:e0k7kv8itvtrs9um9gtead732gh93ge3tq@4ax.com...
> On 19 Aug 2003 20:22:42 -0700, jkaihatu@bellsouth.net (JMK) wrote:
>
> >Jon <texasrocker1@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:<3F414C3F.42D04B05@cox-internet.com>...
> >> Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before
or
> >> after.
> >
> >Yep, he could.
> >
> >What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
> >describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
> >master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master." I've played
> >a few Teles and never found them particularly difficult to
> >play.
> >
> >JMK
>
> Many people consider a tele an "unforgiving" guitar, which I take to
> mean it's just as happy to showcase your limitations as well as your
> strong points. I use my tele to warm up with, but when I'm ready to
> play I pull out the SG and start some serious pluckin'. It doesn't
> work as well the other way around. I think Gibsons tend to hide your
> faults and Fenders illuminate them.. Teles and strats have to be
> approached with some respect for the danger they represent for that
> reason. You have to go with those guitars to get their sounds, but my
> SG is easier to play, probably because of the wider fretboard and the
> smoother action. I can take chances with that guitar that I wouldn't
> take with a Fender unless I was having a real good night. I don't have
> big fingers but I still have to be careful about making contact with
> other strings while soloing. Of course, that's a given on any guitar,
> but it's still more of an issue for me on a Fender. >

Given their closer string spacing, I would think you would have more
difficulty on a Gibson avoiding contact with other strings while soloing.
Also, the fret spacing on the Fender neck is a tad wider than on a Gibson,
which makes a Gibson a little easier to play down the neck, but a little
more difficult in the upper fret region if you have wide fingertips.As you
pointed out, Gibson seems to allow more fretboard on the outer edges
wherease Fender, particularly the older 7.25 radius, necks often have their
E strings and in particular the high E above the 12th fret, right on the
edge of the fretboard. this was due to poor quality control in the early
days...the Fender factory could hardly meet the demand . And then Fender
responded to players' desired for a faster, slimmer neck and reduced the
fretboard width without
a corresponding reduction in bridge width and string spacing.

[Rob Weaver]

JMK wrote:

> Jon <texasrocker1@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F414C3F.42D04B05@cox-internet.com>...
>> Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before or
>> after.
>
> Yep, he could.
>
> What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
> describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
> master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master." I've played
> a few Teles and never found them particularly difficult to
> play.
>
> JMK

I sat in with Danny Gatton a couple of times and played HIS '51 (?) Tele,
through HIS amp with HIS pick...the funny thing is that it didn't SOUND
like him - I'm not talking about the notes (or numbers of them) but rather
my hands on his guitar didn't get his tone.

Getting that Tele sound is way more than a matter of plugging an old Tele
into an old amp and playing.

All the best,
Rob Weaver

[rmielech@infionline.net]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:36:11 -0400, Rob Weaver <rwweaver@erols.com>
wrote:

>JMK wrote:
>
>> Jon <texasrocker1@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
>> news:<3F414C3F.42D04B05@cox-internet.com>...
>>> Yeah he could make that old Telecaster scream like no one else before or
>>> after.
>>
>> Yep, he could.
>>
>> What I find interesting is that articles and whatnot will
>> describe someone as a "Telecaster master" but not a "Strat
>> master," "PRS master" or "Les Paul master." I've played
>> a few Teles and never found them particularly difficult to
>> play.
>>
>> JMK
>
>I sat in with Danny Gatton a couple of times and played HIS '51 (?) Tele,
>through HIS amp with HIS pick...the funny thing is that it didn't SOUND
>like him - I'm not talking about the notes (or numbers of them) but rather
>my hands on his guitar didn't get his tone.
>
>Getting that Tele sound is way more than a matter of plugging an old Tele
>into an old amp and playing.
>
>All the best,
>Rob Weaver

I just bought one of his cds. Amazing stuff and a great loss to music
with his passing. Sitting in with him must have been thrilling, for
want of a better word. How the hell did he get that organ sound on his
guitar? I heard it on a few of his things and I'm pretty sure it's him
doing it on his tele. That's a new sound for me.

[Nil]

On 20 Aug 2003, rmielech@infionline.net wrote in
news:5ha8kvopvfnn6n1vidudepv7n1d6u29lve@4ax.com:

> How the hell did he get that organ sound on his guitar? I heard it
> on a few of his things and I'm pretty sure it's him doing it on
> his tele. That's a new sound for me.

I saw him live one time in about 1978 with his Redneck Jazz band. He
was playing a Les Paul then, which had a big metal box duct-taped to
the face of it. The rotating speaker effect was housed in there, I
think. He probably came up with a more high-tech way of doing it
later.

[James Kaihatu]

Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93DDE5CD7E122nilch1@216.148.227.77...
> On 20 Aug 2003, rmielech@infionline.net wrote in
> news:5ha8kvopvfnn6n1vidudepv7n1d6u29lve@4ax.com:

>
> I saw him live one time in about 1978 with his Redneck Jazz band. He
> was playing a Les Paul then, which had a big metal box duct-taped to
> the face of it.

The "Magic Dingus"....

>The rotating speaker effect was housed in there, I
> think. He probably came up with a more high-tech way of doing it
> later.

I heard that Gatton got a lot of stick from other guitarists about his
technique
being housed in that box, so he got rid of it.

JMK

[JmsDvd]

Rob...my congrats..you got to sit in with one of the great ones.

[JmsDvd]

That was one of Dannys' "seceret boxes". From what I understand, he had quite
an array of black boxes that were made just for him.

[Rob Weaver]

rmielech@infionline.net wrote:
>
> I just bought one of his cds. Amazing stuff and a great loss to music
> with his passing. Sitting in with him must have been thrilling, for
> want of a better word. How the hell did he get that organ sound on his
> guitar? I heard it on a few of his things and I'm pretty sure it's him
> doing it on his tele. That's a new sound for me.

I'll make a long story short - Danny played through a Leslie tone cabinet.

Nah, to hell with it, here's the long version.

I started playing through a Leslie in about '71 after seeing/hearing 3 Dog
Night's guitarist doing it. Unlike the 3DN guitarist, I used a Leslie 147
tube amp (he used the model 925 or 950 solid state version). I think the
solid wood cabinets with tube amps sound superior, but that may just be me.

About the mid-70's Danny started getting serious about his *Magic Dingus
Box*, and I had started my own repair shop *Sounds Better*, in Oxon Hill
Md. Danny would come down with some insane idea about what he wanted to do
next, I'd tell him it was impossible and furthermore, he was nuts for
asking for it, then I'd go ahead and design and build it for him. (Check
the back of his Redneck Jazz album for official thanks)

One of the controls on his MDB was a Leslie tone cabinet speed control. In
the typical Danny fashion, he'd trashed the original amp and was driving it
with a Showman head.

I sometimes wished I had a dollar for every hour I spent working with Danny
on those modifications of his, but i wouldn't trade the memories for any
amount of money.

All the best,
Rob Weaver

[Rob Weaver]

JmsDvd wrote:

> Rob...my congrats..you got to sit in with one of the great ones.

Thanks - I felt lucky then, and I still do. I learned more about how to
play and when NOT to play in a couple of sets with Danny than I could ever
get out of all the books ever written.

And I'm feeling especially lucky tonight - I just contacted Risk Whitehead
(former guitarist with the Air Force jazz band The Airmen of Note) and I'm
going to start taking lessons from him in two weeks.

I've been playing guitar for 37 years and I'm finally going to take some
lessons.

And speaking of luck, I'm reminded of a story I heard a while back: A
sportscaster was talking to Arnold Palmer about a tournament he'd just won,
comment to Arnie that he'd been lucky. Arnie replied that yes he had been
lucly, and wasn't it funny how the more he practiced the luckier he got.
:^)

All the best,
Rob Weaver

[rmielech@infionline.net]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:23:44 -0400, Rob Weaver <rwweaver@erols.com>
wrote:

>rmielech@infionline.net wrote:
>>
>> I just bought one of his cds. Amazing stuff and a great loss to music
>> with his passing. Sitting in with him must have been thrilling, for
>> want of a better word. How the hell did he get that organ sound on his
>> guitar? I heard it on a few of his things and I'm pretty sure it's him
>> doing it on his tele. That's a new sound for me.
>
>I'll make a long story short - Danny played through a Leslie tone cabinet.
>
>Nah, to hell with it, here's the long version.
>
>I started playing through a Leslie in about '71 after seeing/hearing 3 Dog
>Night's guitarist doing it. Unlike the 3DN guitarist, I used a Leslie 147
>tube amp (he used the model 925 or 950 solid state version). I think the
>solid wood cabinets with tube amps sound superior, but that may just be me.
>
>About the mid-70's Danny started getting serious about his *Magic Dingus
>Box*, and I had started my own repair shop *Sounds Better*, in Oxon Hill
>Md. Danny would come down with some insane idea about what he wanted to do
>next, I'd tell him it was impossible and furthermore, he was nuts for
>asking for it, then I'd go ahead and design and build it for him. (Check
>the back of his Redneck Jazz album for official thanks)
>
>One of the controls on his MDB was a Leslie tone cabinet speed control. In
>the typical Danny fashion, he'd trashed the original amp and was driving it
>with a Showman head.
>
>I sometimes wished I had a dollar for every hour I spent working with Danny
>on those modifications of his, but i wouldn't trade the memories for any
>amount of money.
>
>All the best,
>Rob Weaver

Thanks very much for telling the long story, Rob. It's great to be
able to communicate with somebody who worked closely with a talent
like Danny. You must be pretty sharp too or else he would have looked
elsewhere for what he wanted done. Something to be proud of.

[JmsDvd]

Rob...how about that?...Risk Whitehead ....where in the world did you hook up
with him...no lightweight, himself...I have, like you, played for a long time
(about 38 or 40 yrs) ...not sure, does it count from when you started or from
when you got paid? :)
Anyway, I got to hang with Buchanan for an evening around 76' or so...jeeze,
when I think of the little tircks he showed me, I sure wish I had absorbed more
but then when you are 20 something, you think you know every damn thing
anyway...at least I did. But the most interesting thing about your post was the
taking lessons thing...I would think that trying to first un-learn all your old
habits of playing in order to re-learn would be difficult. I congradulate
you...not sure I have the patience. Hope this opens new avenues for you and I
applaud you and wish you all the best. JmsDvd

[Zorro_2K]

"Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93DDE5CD7E122nilch1@216.148.227.77...
> On 20 Aug 2003, rmielech@infionline.net wrote in
> news:5ha8kvopvfnn6n1vidudepv7n1d6u29lve@4ax.com:
>
> > How the hell did he get that organ sound on his guitar? I heard it
> > on a few of his things and I'm pretty sure it's him doing it on
> > his tele. That's a new sound for me.
>
> I saw him live one time in about 1978 with his Redneck Jazz band. He
> was playing a Les Paul then, which had a big metal box duct-taped to
> the face of it. The rotating speaker effect was housed in there, I
> think. He probably came up with a more high-tech way of doing it
> later.

That was the "magic dingus" box he and his Dad built...
>

[Rob Weaver]

JmsDvd wrote:

> Rob...how about that?...Risk Whitehead ....where in the world did you hook
> up with him...no lightweight, himself...I have, like you, played for a
> long time (about 38 or 40 yrs) ...not sure, does it count from when you
> started or from when you got paid? :)
> Anyway, I got to hang with Buchanan for an evening around 76' or
> so...jeeze, when I think of the little tircks he showed me, I sure wish I
> had absorbed more
> but then when you are 20 something, you think you know every damn thing
> anyway...at least I did. But the most interesting thing about your post
> was the taking lessons thing...I would think that trying to first un-learn
> all your old
> habits of playing in order to re-learn would be difficult. I congradulate
> you...not sure I have the patience. Hope this opens new avenues for you
> and I
> applaud you and wish you all the best. JmsDvd

Thanks for all the good thought! And congratulations yourself in getting to
hang with Roy; I worked in a body shop right up the street from the
Crossroads Club - where Roy held court for years, and never knew he was
there.

I hooked up with Rick after *thinking* about taking lessons from him for
quite a while. My first exposure to Rick was about 25 years ago when I
used to repair instruments for the Airmen of Note in my shop. Then I got
this bug up my butt a couple of weeks ago and did a web search for him, and
found he was playing at the Mellinium Stage at the Kennedy Center in DC
last Tuesday. So I dropped him an email, and off we go.

And I told Rick when we first spoke about my takin lessons that I've been
playing for a long time, and I figure it's about time I either learned what
to play, or how to stop doing what I'm doing now, of both. He laughed
(which I consider a Good thing) and set our first appt for two weeks from
today.

For the record, we're both left handed, and play right handed.

All the best,
Rob Weaver