Update on the Ludwig veneer saga

[Anthony Giampa]

A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.

The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report this
here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off of
my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable, right?)
that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would have
to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot, but
POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted wrap.
The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to get
my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the wrap
at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes I
got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches of
wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.

The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home on
Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then I
got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free up
that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of the
seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar to
seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much of
the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and forth
down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no future
woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if you
know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was too
late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.

So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping' part
of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
floor tom.

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien

[George Lawrence]

Anthony,

If I had been keeping up with this thread I could have warned you about the
flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap. Standard operating procedure for me is to
take the drum outside, start the wrap burning with a heat bun and then knock
it off the drum as it smolders away. That is some very toxic stuff. This is
true with any drum from the mid sixties or before. I used to have customers
who would come to my old shop in Mississippi just to see the drums burn! You
need to investigate all this over at drumrap.com or at Ronn's drumbuilder
site before starting on a new project with old drums. There are lots of
different ways to screw up a vintage project. This forum is NOT the place to
ask for advice on repairing old drums. (Sorry guys, but the real experienced
experts at this don't hang out here).

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
>
> The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report
this
> here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off
of
> my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
> burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
right?)
> that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would
have
> to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
> heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
> spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
> sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,
but
> POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
wrap.
> The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to
get
> my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the
wrap
> at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
> freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes
I
> got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches
of
> wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
>
> The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
> night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home
on
> Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then
I
> got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free
up
> that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
> badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of
the
> seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
> screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
> found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar
to
> seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
> and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
> hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much
of
> the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and
forth
> down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
> Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
future
> woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if
you
> know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
> plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was
too
> late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
> work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
>
> So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'
part
> of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
> floor tom.
>
> --
>
> --
> Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
>
>
>

[BKO]

Now THIS is information that is really good to know.

BKO

"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:FT40b.8980$Ih1.3245720@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...

> flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap.

>see the drums burn!

[bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net]

Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
> A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.

> spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
> sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot, but
> POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted wrap.
> The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to get
> my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the wrap
> at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
> freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes I
> got back to work, being extra super careful.

How old is this drum, Ant? This sounds a lot like nitrocellulose wrap!
That is VERY nasty stuff. Used to be the bane of movie houses. Film
would stick in the gate and the heat from the lamp would create a
hugmongous fire like instantly! A movie-collecting friend of mine and I
one set off a pile of it in his driveway. An AMAZING fire! Just be glad
you only had a small piece there to burn!

Yes, BE EXTRA SUPER CAREFUL!!!

Benj

[JaKe]

Anthony Giampa wrote:
> Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
> floor tom.

That floor tom is HOT!


--
JaKe, Seattle
"The monk bought lunch"
Jim Morrison

[Dennis B.]

in article 3F40F11D.909D02AC@NOSPAMyahoo.com, JaKe at
jkdrummer@NOSPAMyahoo.com wrote on 18-08-2003 17:30:

> Anthony Giampa wrote:
>> Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
>> floor tom.
>
> That floor tom is HOT!
>

I don't think that's the way to achieve a satin FLAME finish...

Be careful Ant, celuloid is nasty stuff.

grtz!

Dennis B.

[dpobrien]

I know everyone's being serious right now, but I gotta tell ya Anthony, the
way you've been telling this little tale is funny as heck. Yes yes I know,
sudden balls of flame are not humorous. But the way the story's been told
is.............I keep getting this image of blackened face, hair standing
straight up, mouth hanging open..........you tell a good yarn Ant...........

[BlueM0ZARK]

< That floor tom is HOT! >

nobody know it, but this is the floor tom from the last Great White concert...

[Anthony Giampa]

George, I am VERY aware of the flammability of the old wrap. It's just that
I didn't have a large problem getting the wrap off of my 13" drum, so I
thought 'well, maybe it's not as flammable as they said it was'. So even
though I was prepared for something, it still caught me off guard. All is
well though, so, all I can do is be a little more careful.

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:FT40b.8980$Ih1.3245720@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Anthony,
>
> If I had been keeping up with this thread I could have warned you about
the
> flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap. Standard operating procedure for me is to
> take the drum outside, start the wrap burning with a heat bun and then
knock
> it off the drum as it smolders away. That is some very toxic stuff. This
is
> true with any drum from the mid sixties or before. I used to have
customers
> who would come to my old shop in Mississippi just to see the drums burn!
You
> need to investigate all this over at drumrap.com or at Ronn's drumbuilder
> site before starting on a new project with old drums. There are lots of
> different ways to screw up a vintage project. This forum is NOT the place
to
> ask for advice on repairing old drums. (Sorry guys, but the real
experienced
> experts at this don't hang out here).
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> >
> > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report
> this
> > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap
off
> of
> > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
> > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
> right?)
> > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would
> have
> > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,
and
> > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have
a
> > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still
not
> > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,
> but
> > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
> wrap.
> > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to
> get
> > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the
> wrap
> > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
pretty
> > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
minutes
> I
> > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
inches
> of
> > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
> >
> > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
> > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being
home
> on
> > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.
Then
> I
> > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free
> up
> > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
> > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of
> the
> > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
> > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in.
I
> > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
similar
> to
> > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
screwdrivver,
> > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily
I
> > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much
> of
> > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and
> forth
> > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
> > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
> future
> > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if
> you
> > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
> > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was
> too
> > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
> > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
> >
> > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'
> part
> > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-
16"
> > floor tom.
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anthony Giampa]

It's only 60's wrap.

Yea, I'm a projectionist Ben, and I've heard of the old film stock stuff.
Our polyester film nowadays is pretty good. If it gets caught in the gate,
the light from the lamp (anywhere from 4 to 10K watts) is focused so
strongly through the aperture plate that it ends up only roasting that
single frame. That sentence is worded wierd, but I just woke up and I don't
want to re-type it...

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


<bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:bhqo1m$s8s$2@tribune.oar.net...
> Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
> > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
>
> > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still
not
> > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,
but
> > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
wrap.
> > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to
get
> > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the
wrap
> > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
pretty
> > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
minutes I
> > got back to work, being extra super careful.
>
> How old is this drum, Ant? This sounds a lot like nitrocellulose wrap!
> That is VERY nasty stuff. Used to be the bane of movie houses. Film
> would stick in the gate and the heat from the lamp would create a
> hugmongous fire like instantly! A movie-collecting friend of mine and I
> one set off a pile of it in his driveway. An AMAZING fire! Just be glad
> you only had a small piece there to burn!
>
> Yes, BE EXTRA SUPER CAREFUL!!!
>
> Benj
>

[Anthony Giampa]

Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this to
the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly be
the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I said
'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I upped
some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding tomorrow
on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling and
another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to take
contact cement.

Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer? The
directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement, but I
don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would just
create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat each
always works with plastic wrap...

I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going to
bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work surface.
It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has a
perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should be a
snap.

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
>
> The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report
this
> here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off
of
> my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
> burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
right?)
> that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would
have
> to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
> heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
> spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
> sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,
but
> POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
wrap.
> The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to
get
> my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the
wrap
> at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
> freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes
I
> got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches
of
> wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
>
> The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
> night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home
on
> Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then
I
> got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free
up
> that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
> badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of
the
> seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
> screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
> found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar
to
> seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
> and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
> hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much
of
> the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and
forth
> down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
> Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
future
> woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if
you
> know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
> plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was
too
> late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
> work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
>
> So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'
part
> of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
> floor tom.
>
> --
>
> --
> Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
>
>
>

[George Lawrence]

If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise mock
up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
> forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this to
> the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly be
> the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I
said
> 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I
upped
> some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
tomorrow
> on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling
and
> another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to
take
> contact cement.
>
> Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer?
The
> directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement, but
I
> don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would
just
> create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat each
> always works with plastic wrap...
>
> I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going to
> bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
surface.
> It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has a
> perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should be
a
> snap.
>
> --
>
> --
> Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
>
>
> "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> >
> > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report
> this
> > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap
off
> of
> > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
> > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
> right?)
> > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would
> have
> > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,
and
> > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have
a
> > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still
not
> > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,
> but
> > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
> wrap.
> > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
> > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to
> get
> > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the
> wrap
> > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
pretty
> > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
> > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
minutes
> I
> > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
inches
> of
> > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
> >
> > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
> > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being
home
> on
> > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.
Then
> I
> > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free
> up
> > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
> > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of
> the
> > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
> > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in.
I
> > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
similar
> to
> > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
screwdrivver,
> > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily
I
> > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much
> of
> > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and
> forth
> > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
> > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
> future
> > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if
> you
> > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
> > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was
> too
> > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
> > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
> >
> > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'
> part
> > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-
16"
> > floor tom.
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anthony Giampa]

You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around? I
actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what you're
saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
off...

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
> adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise
mock
> up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
> > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this
to
> > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly
be
> > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I
> said
> > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I
> upped
> > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
> tomorrow
> > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling
> and
> > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to
> take
> > contact cement.
> >
> > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer?
> The
> > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement,
but
> I
> > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would
> just
> > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat
each
> > always works with plastic wrap...
> >
> > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going
to
> > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
> surface.
> > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has
a
> > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should
be
> a
> > snap.
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> >
> >
> > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> > >
> > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report
> > this
> > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap
> off
> > of
> > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple
minor
> > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
> > right?)
> > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I
would
> > have
> > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,
> and
> > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I
have
> a
> > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still
> not
> > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same
spot,
> > but
> > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted
> > wrap.
> > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of
the
> > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able
to
> > get
> > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit,
the
> > wrap
> > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
> pretty
> > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was
REALLY
> > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
> minutes
> > I
> > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
> inches
> > of
> > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
tomorrow.
> > >
> > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
> > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being
> home
> > on
> > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.
> Then
> > I
> > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least
free
> > up
> > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs
and
> > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both
of
> > the
> > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
flathead
> > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip
in.
> I
> > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
> similar
> > to
> > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
> screwdrivver,
> > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.
Luckily
> I
> > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with
much
> > of
> > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and
> > forth
> > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
> > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
> > future
> > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as
if
> > you
> > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the
shell
> > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it
was
> > too
> > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get
to
> > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
> > >
> > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
'wrapping'
> > part
> > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-
> 16"
> > > floor tom.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[George Lawrence]

It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the most
important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier to
align. Measure once, cut twice :-)

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
> You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around? I
> actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
> center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what
you're
> saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
> one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
> off...
>
> --
>
> --
> Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
>
>
> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
> > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise
> mock
> > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
> >
> > --
> > George Lawrence
> > George's Drum Shop
> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > 330 670 0800
> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >
> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > buy each of his children a drum."
> > -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was
taking
> > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this
> to
> > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to
constantly
> be
> > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I
> > said
> > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I
> > upped
> > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
> > tomorrow
> > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more
filling
> > and
> > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to
> > take
> > > contact cement.
> > >
> > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of
veneer?
> > The
> > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement,
> but
> > I
> > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would
> > just
> > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat
> each
> > > always works with plastic wrap...
> > >
> > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going
> to
> > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
> > surface.
> > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also
has
> a
> > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application
should
> be
> > a
> > > snap.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > >
> > >
> > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> > > >
> > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to
report
> > > this
> > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
> > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the
wrap
> > off
> > > of
> > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple
> minor
> > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
> > > right?)
> > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I
> would
> > > have
> > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few
seconds,
> > and
> > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I
> have
> > a
> > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm
still
> > not
> > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same
> spot,
> > > but
> > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed
uplifted
> > > wrap.
> > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of
> the
> > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was
able
> to
> > > get
> > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit,
> the
> > > wrap
> > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
> > pretty
> > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was
> REALLY
> > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
> > minutes
> > > I
> > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
> > inches
> > > of
> > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
> tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on
Sunday
> > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
> > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being
> > home
> > > on
> > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.
> > Then
> > > I
> > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least
> free
> > > up
> > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs
> and
> > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both
> of
> > > the
> > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
> flathead
> > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip
> in.
> > I
> > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
> > similar
> > > to
> > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
> > screwdrivver,
> > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.
> Luckily
> > I
> > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with
> much
> > > of
> > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back
and
> > > forth
> > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is
how
> > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
> > > future
> > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as
> if
> > > you
> > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the
> shell
> > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it
> was
> > > too
> > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and
get
> to
> > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as
hell.
> > > >
> > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
> 'wrapping'
> > > part
> > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly
charred-
> > 16"
> > > > floor tom.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anthony Giampa]

Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?

I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When I
tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on my
applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the color
of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
difference...

If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least overnight
to begin any varnishing.

BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
> underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the
most
> important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier
to
> align. Measure once, cut twice :-)
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
> > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around?
I
> > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
> > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what
> you're
> > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
> > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
> > off...
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> >
> >
> > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
> > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise
> > mock
> > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
> > >
> > > --
> > > George Lawrence
> > > George's Drum Shop
> > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > > 330 670 0800
> > > toll free 866 970 0800
> > >
> > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > > buy each of his children a drum."
> > > -Chinese proverb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was
> taking
> > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute
this
> > to
> > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to
> constantly
> > be
> > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So
I
> > > said
> > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure
I
> > > upped
> > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
> > > tomorrow
> > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more
> filling
> > > and
> > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready
to
> > > take
> > > > contact cement.
> > > >
> > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of
> veneer?
> > > The
> > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of
cement,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it
would
> > > just
> > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat
> > each
> > > > always works with plastic wrap...
> > > >
> > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm
going
> > to
> > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
> > > surface.
> > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also
> has
> > a
> > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application
> should
> > be
> > > a
> > > > snap.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> > > > >
> > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to
> report
> > > > this
> > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage,
but
> > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the
> wrap
> > > off
> > > > of
> > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple
> > minor
> > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and
unuseable,
> > > > right?)
> > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I
> > would
> > > > have
> > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few
> seconds,
> > > and
> > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm
> still
> > > not
> > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same
> > spot,
> > > > but
> > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed
> uplifted
> > > > wrap.
> > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out
of
> > the
> > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was
> able
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a
bit,
> > the
> > > > wrap
> > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
> > > pretty
> > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was
> > REALLY
> > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
> > > minutes
> > > > I
> > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
> > > inches
> > > > of
> > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
> > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on
> Sunday
> > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy
from
> > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually
being
> > > home
> > > > on
> > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on
TV.
> > > Then
> > > > I
> > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at
least
> > free
> > > > up
> > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and
spurs
> > and
> > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or
both
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
> > flathead
> > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to
slip
> > in.
> > > I
> > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
> > > similar
> > > > to
> > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
> > > screwdrivver,
> > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.
> > Luckily
> > > I
> > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam
with
> > much
> > > > of
> > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back
> and
> > > > forth
> > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is
> how
> > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss,
no
> > > > future
> > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish,
as
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the
> > shell
> > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time
it
> > was
> > > > too
> > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and
> get
> > to
> > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as
> hell.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
> > 'wrapping'
> > > > part
> > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly
> charred-
> > > 16"
> > > > > floor tom.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[George Lawrence]

"If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least overnight
to begin any varnishing."

I agree.


--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Cik0b.10698$nf3.5004@fed1read07...
> Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?
>
> I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When I
> tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on
my
> applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
> it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the
color
> of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
> putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
> difference...
>
> If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
> myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least
overnight
> to begin any varnishing.
>
> BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...
>
> --
>
> --
> Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
>
>
> "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
> > underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the
> most
> > important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier
> to
> > align. Measure once, cut twice :-)
> >
> > --
> > George Lawrence
> > George's Drum Shop
> > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > 330 670 0800
> > toll free 866 970 0800
> >
> > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > buy each of his children a drum."
> > -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
> > > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way
around?
> I
> > > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
> > > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what
> > you're
> > > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
> > > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap
back
> > > off...
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > >
> > >
> > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and
only
> > > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more
precise
> > > mock
> > > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > George Lawrence
> > > > George's Drum Shop
> > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > > > 330 670 0800
> > > > toll free 866 970 0800
> > > >
> > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > > > buy each of his children a drum."
> > > > -Chinese proverb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> > > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was
> > taking
> > > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute
> this
> > > to
> > > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to
> > constantly
> > > be
> > > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless).
So
> I
> > > > said
> > > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style.
Sure
> I
> > > > upped
> > > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
> > > > tomorrow
> > > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more
> > filling
> > > > and
> > > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be
ready
> to
> > > > take
> > > > > contact cement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of
> > veneer?
> > > > The
> > > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of
> cement,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it
> would
> > > > just
> > > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One
coat
> > > each
> > > > > always works with plastic wrap...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm
> going
> > > to
> > > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
> > > > surface.
> > > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer
also
> > has
> > > a
> > > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application
> > should
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > > snap.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to
> > report
> > > > > this
> > > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage,
> but
> > > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the
> > wrap
> > > > off
> > > > > of
> > > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a
couple
> > > minor
> > > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and
> unuseable,
> > > > > right?)
> > > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing
I
> > > would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few
> > seconds,
> > > > and
> > > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus
I
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm
> > still
> > > > not
> > > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the
same
> > > spot,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed
> > uplifted
> > > > > wrap.
> > > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran
out
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was
> > able
> > > to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a
> bit,
> > > the
> > > > > wrap
> > > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I
was
> > > > pretty
> > > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was
> > > REALLY
> > > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a
few
> > > > minutes
> > > > > I
> > > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few
more
> > > > inches
> > > > > of
> > > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
> > > tomorrow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on
> > Sunday
> > > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy
> from
> > > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually
> being
> > > > home
> > > > > on
> > > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on
> TV.
> > > > Then
> > > > > I
> > > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at
> least
> > > free
> > > > > up
> > > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and
> spurs
> > > and
> > > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or
> both
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
> > > flathead
> > > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to
> slip
> > > in.
> > > > I
> > > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack'
sound,
> > > > similar
> > > > > to
> > > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
> > > > screwdrivver,
> > > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.
> > > Luckily
> > > > I
> > > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam
> with
> > > much
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver
back
> > and
> > > > > forth
> > > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS
is
> > how
> > > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No
fuss,
> no
> > > > > future
> > > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE
finish,
> as
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of
the
> > > shell
> > > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this
time
> it
> > > was
> > > > > too
> > > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife
and
> > get
> > > to
> > > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as
> > hell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
> > > 'wrapping'
> > > > > part
> > > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly
> > charred-
> > > > 16"
> > > > > > floor tom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anthony Giampa]

Ok, I hate when I ask and then subsequently answer my own questions. I seem
to do that alot. Anyhow, I'm no wood worker, so I just wanna be 100% sure
about all this stuff. =)

--

--
Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
"Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:8Qo0b.9312$Ih1.3459975@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
>
> "If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
> myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least
overnight
> to begin any varnishing."
>
> I agree.
>
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Cik0b.10698$nf3.5004@fed1read07...
> > Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?
> >
> > I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When
I
> > tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on
> my
> > applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
> > it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the
> color
> > of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
> > putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
> > difference...
> >
> > If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
> > myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least
> overnight
> > to begin any varnishing.
> >
> > BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> >
> >
> > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > > It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
> > > underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the
> > most
> > > important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be
easier
> > to
> > > align. Measure once, cut twice :-)
> > >
> > > --
> > > George Lawrence
> > > George's Drum Shop
> > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > > 330 670 0800
> > > toll free 866 970 0800
> > >
> > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > > buy each of his children a drum."
> > > -Chinese proverb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
> > > > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way
> around?
> > I
> > > > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly
the
> > > > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what
> > > you're
> > > > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it
the
> > > > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap
> back
> > > > off...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> > > > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and
> only
> > > > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more
> precise
> > > > mock
> > > > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > George Lawrence
> > > > > George's Drum Shop
> > > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> > > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
> > > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> > > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
> > > > > 330 670 0800
> > > > > toll free 866 970 0800
> > > > >
> > > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> > > > > buy each of his children a drum."
> > > > > -Chinese proverb
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
> > > > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was
> > > taking
> > > > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really
attribute
> > this
> > > > to
> > > > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to
> > > constantly
> > > > be
> > > > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and
painless).
> So
> > I
> > > > > said
> > > > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style.
> Sure
> > I
> > > > > upped
> > > > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor
sanding
> > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more
> > > filling
> > > > > and
> > > > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be
> ready
> > to
> > > > > take
> > > > > > contact cement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of
> > > veneer?
> > > > > The
> > > > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of
> > cement,
> > > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it
> > would
> > > > > just
> > > > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One
> coat
> > > > each
> > > > > > always works with plastic wrap...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm
> > going
> > > > to
> > > > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my
work
> > > > > surface.
> > > > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer
> also
> > > has
> > > > a
> > > > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > snap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
> > > > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead
tonight.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want
to
> > > report
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun
useage,
> > but
> > > > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting
the
> > > wrap
> > > > > off
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a
> couple
> > > > minor
> > > > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and
> > unuseable,
> > > > > > right?)
> > > > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst
thing
> I
> > > > would
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few
> > > seconds,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal.
Plus
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden,
I'm
> > > still
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the
> same
> > > > spot,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed
> > > uplifted
> > > > > > wrap.
> > > > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran
> out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and
was
> > > able
> > > > to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a
> > bit,
> > > > the
> > > > > > wrap
> > > > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I
> was
> > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I
was
> > > > REALLY
> > > > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a
> few
> > > > > minutes
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few
> more
> > > > > inches
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work
on
> > > Sunday
> > > > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a
guy
> > from
> > > > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually
> > being
> > > > > home
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining
on
> > TV.
> > > > > Then
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at
> > least
> > > > free
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and
> > spurs
> > > > and
> > > > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one
or
> > both
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
> > > > flathead
> > > > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to
> > slip
> > > > in.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack'
> sound,
> > > > > similar
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
> > > > > screwdrivver,
> > > > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the
ply.
> > > > Luckily
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam
> > with
> > > > much
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver
> back
> > > and
> > > > > > forth
> > > > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS
> is
> > > how
> > > > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No
> fuss,
> > no
> > > > > > future
> > > > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE
> finish,
> > as
> > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of
> the
> > > > shell
> > > > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this
> time
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > too
> > > > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife
> and
> > > get
> > > > to
> > > > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily
as
> > > hell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
> > > > 'wrapping'
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly
> > > charred-
> > > > > 16"
> > > > > > > floor tom.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
> > > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net]

Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
> Ok, I hate when I ask and then subsequently answer my own questions. I seem
> to do that alot. Anyhow, I'm no wood worker, so I just wanna be 100% sure
> about all this stuff. =)

At least you are getting the right answers, Ant! I ALWAYS let stains
dry at least overnight for exactly the reasons you found. And furthermore
I think the instructions on the can said so too. You DID read the
instructions, right? :-)

Benj
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