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08-18-2003, 11:22 AM
Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in article <f6r1kv4ou0m5qongmp5885djq86m9b4ujm@4ax.com>...
> I have been able to reduce disc herniations with my techniques - to the point to where the patient was completely asymptomatic
No, you most certainly have not "reduced" disc herniations, Kevin...ABSURD.
But...how about some references or links to back up your allegation.
>No drugs, no surgery - just adjustsments,
What "adjustsments"? How are you shoving a herniated disc back to its origin?
>trigger point therapy,
Symptom management...doesn't do a thing to correct a herniated disc.
>traction,
Oh...my...God.
You are going to **** someone up one day...guaranteed, Kevin.
>and specific rehabilitative exercises to stabilize, and strengthen the supportive soft tissue structures.>
Symptom management for musculoskeletal pain.
Not one thing to "reduce a herniated disc".
None.
> As far as the disc herniations, it depends on how bad the herniation is, where it is, and how long it's been there.>
Uh, huh...keep going...
>If the nuclear material is extruded into the thecal sac,
Kevin.... ( sigh..)
You just keep on with incorrect medical information.
A "herniated disc" BY DEFINITION is "a rupture or herniation of the nucleus pulposus" !!!!!!!!!
Read that again!
>and has calcified...
Has nothing to do with it.
>it's a surgical case.>
A herniated disc will never, ever repair itself other than with surgery.
People can live with the pain and do whatever for symptom relief, but the disc will always remain herniated.
> But most people aren't to that point. And they CAN have their problem managed conservatively.
That is another terrible generalization of people with disc injuries.
> Yeah - IF you believe Jack's story. I don't believe him. He
> bull****ted about the chiropractor asking him to come in seven days
> per week. Makes you wonder how much else of his story is pure
> fiction.
LOL! Jack already said that he assumed that the chiro wanted him to come in for 7 days straight, and admitted he was wrong!
Get over it!
> Spine surgery has an absolutely horrible track record.
How about those medical references?
>A couple of months ago, there was a spine symposium at Allegheny General
> Hospital (here in Pittsburgh). They had a panel of speakers which
> read as a veritable "who's who" in neuro and orthpedic surgery. And
> they admitted that their own success rate is abyssmal. There is a
> less than 50% chance of success.>
And again...any proof of that?
>Compound that with a 1 in 10,000 chance of death (due to general anesthesiology). Please see the following references:>
> Basics of Anesthesia by Stoelting and Miller: (considered by some to
> be the bible of modern anesthesia practice). Here is the pertinent
> passage from the third edition:
> "An estimated 20 to 25 million anesthetics are administered annually
> in the United States. The risk of mortality due solely to the
> administration of anesthesia is extremely rare (about 1 in 10,000
> administrations, or 0.01%). " (p 12)
Uh..Kevin?
Pretending that you "quote" this book correctly and can even understand if you take it out of context:
1 in 10,000 is 0.0001 %.
Not 0.01%.
Am I wrong?
What else are you misquoting or misunderstanding?
> Clinical Anesthesia Procedures of the Massachusetts General Hospital,
> edited by Hurford, Bailin, Davison, Haspel and Rosow, published 1997:
> "In the 1950s it was estimated that anesthesia care contributed to
> three deaths in 10,000 surgical procedures. More recent data suggest
> that the rate may be on the order of 1 per 10,000." (p 117)
Hmmm..."contributed"....maybe the patients got pneumonia and that was the "contribution" from anesthesia.
I am positive you take it out of context.
Any guess on what it is in 2003?
> Jack posted some bull**** about chiropractors beating drums,
> magnets...and other things - trying to insinuate that this is
> commonplace.
What "bull****"?
>It's not. I've never done that. None of my chiropractic friends & colleagues do that. And I don't know of ANYONE who's done
that.>
Really? Hmmmm...do you deny chiropractors use these techniques?
> Jack was upset with the price of the chiropractic care -
That wasn't all..the dude HURT Jack.
Did you read that part?
> because he felt his chiropractor wanted to make a jag payment (or
> something like that).
> Let's look at this from a financial perspective. A typical
> chiropractic case costs about $1,500.00 (start to finish). An average
> spine surgery costs $50,000.00. >
Wow...where did you come up with that?
Any references or proof of these figures you allege?
I mean..my own spinal surgery cost $17,000.
> So while Jack's offended that the chiropractor charged his
> fees, he's going to run to a neurosurgeon (who'll charge him 33 TIMES
> more). Now if that isn't Polfusian logic, I don't know what is.
Holy crap, dude..you miss the point.
And I *knew* you would have to mention "Polfus" at least once today.
> > Nah. Lots of people here discuss CTS and stuff. It would have
> >come up via that.
>
> Okay, perhaps I mis-phrased it.
Yup, and I called you on it.
>I should have said: "If neither of them had ever met me online, and thus there were no
> subsequent frictions, neither of them would have ever said a single negative thing about chiropractic.>
And again, you would be wrong with all the talk people have about guitar playing injuries.
The world doesn't revolve around you, Kevin.
> Jack will probably have a surgery done. And I despite all of
> the lovely things he's said to and about me,
You need to reread the majority of your posts, son.
>I do wish him the best of luck.
> Atlas
That's gonna be a little hard to believe, unfortunately.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
> I have been able to reduce disc herniations with my techniques - to the point to where the patient was completely asymptomatic
No, you most certainly have not "reduced" disc herniations, Kevin...ABSURD.
But...how about some references or links to back up your allegation.
>No drugs, no surgery - just adjustsments,
What "adjustsments"? How are you shoving a herniated disc back to its origin?
>trigger point therapy,
Symptom management...doesn't do a thing to correct a herniated disc.
>traction,
Oh...my...God.
You are going to **** someone up one day...guaranteed, Kevin.
>and specific rehabilitative exercises to stabilize, and strengthen the supportive soft tissue structures.>
Symptom management for musculoskeletal pain.
Not one thing to "reduce a herniated disc".
None.
> As far as the disc herniations, it depends on how bad the herniation is, where it is, and how long it's been there.>
Uh, huh...keep going...
>If the nuclear material is extruded into the thecal sac,
Kevin.... ( sigh..)
You just keep on with incorrect medical information.
A "herniated disc" BY DEFINITION is "a rupture or herniation of the nucleus pulposus" !!!!!!!!!
Read that again!
>and has calcified...
Has nothing to do with it.
>it's a surgical case.>
A herniated disc will never, ever repair itself other than with surgery.
People can live with the pain and do whatever for symptom relief, but the disc will always remain herniated.
> But most people aren't to that point. And they CAN have their problem managed conservatively.
That is another terrible generalization of people with disc injuries.
> Yeah - IF you believe Jack's story. I don't believe him. He
> bull****ted about the chiropractor asking him to come in seven days
> per week. Makes you wonder how much else of his story is pure
> fiction.
LOL! Jack already said that he assumed that the chiro wanted him to come in for 7 days straight, and admitted he was wrong!
Get over it!
> Spine surgery has an absolutely horrible track record.
How about those medical references?
>A couple of months ago, there was a spine symposium at Allegheny General
> Hospital (here in Pittsburgh). They had a panel of speakers which
> read as a veritable "who's who" in neuro and orthpedic surgery. And
> they admitted that their own success rate is abyssmal. There is a
> less than 50% chance of success.>
And again...any proof of that?
>Compound that with a 1 in 10,000 chance of death (due to general anesthesiology). Please see the following references:>
> Basics of Anesthesia by Stoelting and Miller: (considered by some to
> be the bible of modern anesthesia practice). Here is the pertinent
> passage from the third edition:
> "An estimated 20 to 25 million anesthetics are administered annually
> in the United States. The risk of mortality due solely to the
> administration of anesthesia is extremely rare (about 1 in 10,000
> administrations, or 0.01%). " (p 12)
Uh..Kevin?
Pretending that you "quote" this book correctly and can even understand if you take it out of context:
1 in 10,000 is 0.0001 %.
Not 0.01%.
Am I wrong?
What else are you misquoting or misunderstanding?
> Clinical Anesthesia Procedures of the Massachusetts General Hospital,
> edited by Hurford, Bailin, Davison, Haspel and Rosow, published 1997:
> "In the 1950s it was estimated that anesthesia care contributed to
> three deaths in 10,000 surgical procedures. More recent data suggest
> that the rate may be on the order of 1 per 10,000." (p 117)
Hmmm..."contributed"....maybe the patients got pneumonia and that was the "contribution" from anesthesia.
I am positive you take it out of context.
Any guess on what it is in 2003?
> Jack posted some bull**** about chiropractors beating drums,
> magnets...and other things - trying to insinuate that this is
> commonplace.
What "bull****"?
>It's not. I've never done that. None of my chiropractic friends & colleagues do that. And I don't know of ANYONE who's done
that.>
Really? Hmmmm...do you deny chiropractors use these techniques?
> Jack was upset with the price of the chiropractic care -
That wasn't all..the dude HURT Jack.
Did you read that part?
> because he felt his chiropractor wanted to make a jag payment (or
> something like that).
> Let's look at this from a financial perspective. A typical
> chiropractic case costs about $1,500.00 (start to finish). An average
> spine surgery costs $50,000.00. >
Wow...where did you come up with that?
Any references or proof of these figures you allege?
I mean..my own spinal surgery cost $17,000.
> So while Jack's offended that the chiropractor charged his
> fees, he's going to run to a neurosurgeon (who'll charge him 33 TIMES
> more). Now if that isn't Polfusian logic, I don't know what is.
Holy crap, dude..you miss the point.
And I *knew* you would have to mention "Polfus" at least once today.
> > Nah. Lots of people here discuss CTS and stuff. It would have
> >come up via that.
>
> Okay, perhaps I mis-phrased it.
Yup, and I called you on it.
>I should have said: "If neither of them had ever met me online, and thus there were no
> subsequent frictions, neither of them would have ever said a single negative thing about chiropractic.>
And again, you would be wrong with all the talk people have about guitar playing injuries.
The world doesn't revolve around you, Kevin.
> Jack will probably have a surgery done. And I despite all of
> the lovely things he's said to and about me,
You need to reread the majority of your posts, son.
>I do wish him the best of luck.
> Atlas
That's gonna be a little hard to believe, unfortunately.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs