Hanging floor tom - to drill or not to drill?

[Jonathan Khoo]

Hi All,

I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty much
ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
with it chokes the drum when it's mounted. It boxes up the sound and makes
it sound like a bouncing basketball (you know what i mean :)). I've fiddled
with this thing on end, bending the rims mount to suit, inwards, outwards,
all of it. No go. It just chokes when it's up on the stand, and doesn't ever
totally sit on the tension rod recievers. The odd thing is that the 10" and
12" toms, with the same system (but less lugs involved due to the size)
totally SING. The 12" especially sounds huge and full.

I have checked the edges over on the 14" and they are perfect. The shell is
in round, so i don't think it's something to do with that. I tried removing
the RIMS system and threw it on a Pearl ISS (which didn't *quite* fit) for a
bit and the tone opened up a bit more. With no mounts, it sings. It's just
when i fit it with the RIMS it totally boxes it up. I tried tuning with a
brand new clear Aquarian Double Thin, same thing.

So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
suspension things aren't very good. George tells me that buying a "genuine"
RIMS system wouldn't help much, as they are pretty much all the same. Would
drilling it for legs be an option?

I'm totally lost as to what to do here. Any ideas, guys (besides buying a
new drum ;P)?

Thanks in advance.
Jon

[Jonathan Khoo]

A few things i forgot to ask - any "dangers" as such involved in drilling
this for legs? I would probably get a repairer to do it for me as i'm pretty
much all thumbs when it comes to this sort of stuff. Is there a possibility
that the drum would be even more boxy sounding after drilling? Any
precautions to take, or any advice?

Any recommended leg brackets/floor tom legs which would open up the drum the
most? I would use some sort of suspension feet with the legs. Any difference
between brackets and legs besides the look?

Thanks guys :)

Jon

"Jonathan Khoo" <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f4192ac$0$23588$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net. au...
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty
much
> ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
> with it chokes the drum when it's mounted. It boxes up the sound and makes
> it sound like a bouncing basketball (you know what i mean :)). I've
fiddled
> with this thing on end, bending the rims mount to suit, inwards, outwards,
> all of it. No go. It just chokes when it's up on the stand, and doesn't
ever
> totally sit on the tension rod recievers. The odd thing is that the 10"
and
> 12" toms, with the same system (but less lugs involved due to the size)
> totally SING. The 12" especially sounds huge and full.
>
> I have checked the edges over on the 14" and they are perfect. The shell
is
> in round, so i don't think it's something to do with that. I tried
removing
> the RIMS system and threw it on a Pearl ISS (which didn't *quite* fit) for
a
> bit and the tone opened up a bit more. With no mounts, it sings. It's just
> when i fit it with the RIMS it totally boxes it up. I tried tuning with a
> brand new clear Aquarian Double Thin, same thing.
>
> So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> suspension things aren't very good. George tells me that buying a
"genuine"
> RIMS system wouldn't help much, as they are pretty much all the same.
Would
> drilling it for legs be an option?
>
> I'm totally lost as to what to do here. Any ideas, guys (besides buying a
> new drum ;P)?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jon
>
>
>

[joem]

jonathan,
regarding your issue: I had a similar experience with a dw 11x14" tom.
well, not much the sound as the "to drill or not to drill" question. I
had the original RIMS floor tom mount and though it sounded great, it
required a 16" bag to fit it. :-( if such an issue is fine with you,
then I would recommend that over drilling, personally. those mounts
sound great; the only downfalls are the extra size and they take awhile
for the initial setup (but you're fine after that).

Jonathan Khoo wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> A few things i forgot to ask - any "dangers" as such involved in drilling
> this for legs? I would probably get a repairer to do it for me as i'm pretty
> much all thumbs when it comes to this sort of stuff.

I did mine myself. it's no big deal, really. just measure three times,
drill once :-) it'll take an hour, tops.

> Is there a possibility
> that the drum would be even more boxy sounding after drilling?

I doubt it. I didn't experience that with my spaun floor tom (which was
originally (normal hanging) RIMS mounted). but then again, it didn't
sound boxy to begin with.

> Any recommended leg brackets/floor tom legs which would open up the drum the
> most? I would use some sort of suspension feet with the legs. Any difference
> between brackets and legs besides the look?

the two I like the most are:
- dw legs/mounts; they're designed to maintain the drum's sustain (and
do so very well); BUT they will probably require stepping up a case
size or two as the wingnuts stick out very far; they're also aroun $80
- pearl masters legs/mounts; the suspension tips work great and the
area where the mounts touch your shell is very minimal; the floor tom
I have them on just sustains for days

ultimately, the decision's up to you, though. but I would recommend
trying the RIMS floor tom (cradle) mount (or possibly a *real* RIMS
hanging mount) before you drill. because once you drill, those holes are
there whether you like the sound or not.

another option, BTW, is the pearl optimount. it's pretty cheap and
sounds good (though RIMS sound better to me).

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

[MMORITZ884]

I had a DW 10x14 w/RIMS, drilled for DW brackets and legs, and I'm glad I did.
Can't tell any difference in the sound. Sounded good before; sounds good
after. Did it myself, and it came out OK, but the mental strain wasn't worth
it. If I had it to do over again, I'd pay somebody who was handy with those
tool thingies.

[Keith Runfola]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:25 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
<jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:


>So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
>suspension things aren't very good.

I bought the new Gauger basket thing for a 14 recently not because of
the sound of the drum but because I was tired of carrying around a
huge, heavy stand to suspend it and didn't want to drill for leg
holders.
I have only had it on a few gigs, so it still remains to be seen
whether some of the parts will start to loosen and rattle which is my
main concern. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it
took me a LONG time to put it together. There are some parts that you
can easily put on backwards or upside down and not realize it because
the instuctions and especially the pictures are not clear enough.
However, I am not generally good at that stuff in the first place.
The drum sounded BETTER than when it was hanging from that huge heavy
stand with a DW rims type mount. Contrary to what some have said, the
gauger basket doesn't feel at all heavy to me but it does feel sturdy
enough.
I do have to use a 16" case now.
good luck,


Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[Jonathan Khoo]

Hi Keith,

Thanks for that. Interesting - so the basket didn't choke up the tone at
all? When i google searched on this product, i read through a few posts that
basically stated that the basket choked up the drum and made it even more
dead than on a rims mount. What do you think?

thanks!
Jon

"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
news:8773kvkoeiovff5ruvvpog33rf4d879869@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:25 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> >So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> >suspension things aren't very good.
>
> I bought the new Gauger basket thing for a 14 recently not because of
> the sound of the drum but because I was tired of carrying around a
> huge, heavy stand to suspend it and didn't want to drill for leg
> holders.
> I have only had it on a few gigs, so it still remains to be seen
> whether some of the parts will start to loosen and rattle which is my
> main concern. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it
> took me a LONG time to put it together. There are some parts that you
> can easily put on backwards or upside down and not realize it because
> the instuctions and especially the pictures are not clear enough.
> However, I am not generally good at that stuff in the first place.
> The drum sounded BETTER than when it was hanging from that huge heavy
> stand with a DW rims type mount. Contrary to what some have said, the
> gauger basket doesn't feel at all heavy to me but it does feel sturdy
> enough.
> I do have to use a 16" case now.
> good luck,
>
>
> Keith Runfola
> www.jazzdrummer.com

[joem]

Jonathan Khoo wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> Thanks for the advice, joe. With your DW 14", did you end up drilling it?
> What was the difference before and after?

no, I ended up finding a solution with the (older) RIMS cradle. again,
it sounded great that way, it was just large. but I ended up switching
out some parts to get it to fit into a 14" case and was happy with that
until I sold it for the Spaun kit.

but with the Spaun kit: the floor tom sounded just as great before I
drilled it (on a RIMS mount) as after (with DW legs).

> So you think that an original RIMS mount would make a difference as opposed
> to the knockoff (Taye) mount that i'm using at the moment?

well I don't know for sure. I'm just suggesting that you try a couple
likely options and possibilities with suspension mounts before you drill.
it will *most likely* sound just as good before drilling as after. but
you never know...

good luck, whatever you decide! :-)

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

[Keith Runfola]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:23:11 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
<jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:

>Hi Keith,
>
>Thanks for that. Interesting - so the basket didn't choke up the tone at
>all? When i google searched on this product, i read through a few posts that
>basically stated that the basket choked up the drum and made it even more
>dead than on a rims mount. What do you think?
>
>thanks!
>Jon

I liked it better with the Gauger "Dynamount" (that's what he calls
it). It didn't sound bad hanging from a (DW) Rims mount before but
better afterwards. Don't know why. Maybe I just had it tuned better!
:) I was a little leery right before I first hit it, because I wasn't
sure I had the rubber gromets or whatever they are called and the
springs alligned correctly. Gauger harps on this point in the
instructions. But I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the pic of it on
the Gauger site in case you haven't seen it yet.
http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/dynamount.html
Keep in mind when reading google posts that there is the OLD and the
NEW version of this thing.
Some people haven't like the new one, but the old one REALLY got a bad
rap (otherwise why would he re-engineer it?) though I do know a couple
of people who are fine with the old one.
Like I said, so far I like it.
Gary seems like a nice enough guy. Why don't you email him and ask if
he has a return policy if you don't like it ?

>"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
>news:8773kvkoeiovff5ruvvpog33rf4d879869@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:25 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
>> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
>> >suspension things aren't very good.
>>
>> I bought the new Gauger basket thing for a 14 recently not because of
>> the sound of the drum but because I was tired of carrying around a
>> huge, heavy stand to suspend it and didn't want to drill for leg
>> holders.
>> I have only had it on a few gigs, so it still remains to be seen
>> whether some of the parts will start to loosen and rattle which is my
>> main concern. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it
>> took me a LONG time to put it together. There are some parts that you
>> can easily put on backwards or upside down and not realize it because
>> the instuctions and especially the pictures are not clear enough.
>> However, I am not generally good at that stuff in the first place.
>> The drum sounded BETTER than when it was hanging from that huge heavy
>> stand with a DW rims type mount. Contrary to what some have said, the
>> gauger basket doesn't feel at all heavy to me but it does feel sturdy
>> enough.
>> I do have to use a 16" case now.
>> good luck,
>>
>>
>> Keith Runfola
>> www.jazzdrummer.com
>

Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[Jonathan Khoo]

I see - i didn't know that there was an older version of the Dyna. Just
thought it was the one design, didn't know he re-engineered it. Thanks for
that, Keith. I'll keep that in mind as an option. Between drilling and
spending the cash for a Dynamount, what's your take on thebest way to go?

Thanks!
Jon

"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
news:caa3kvoplng7co5u5f4l3ao65f4bp5ft5j@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:23:11 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >Hi Keith,
> >
> >Thanks for that. Interesting - so the basket didn't choke up the tone at
> >all? When i google searched on this product, i read through a few posts
that
> >basically stated that the basket choked up the drum and made it even more
> >dead than on a rims mount. What do you think?
> >
> >thanks!
> >Jon
>
> I liked it better with the Gauger "Dynamount" (that's what he calls
> it). It didn't sound bad hanging from a (DW) Rims mount before but
> better afterwards. Don't know why. Maybe I just had it tuned better!
> :) I was a little leery right before I first hit it, because I wasn't
> sure I had the rubber gromets or whatever they are called and the
> springs alligned correctly. Gauger harps on this point in the
> instructions. But I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the pic of it on
> the Gauger site in case you haven't seen it yet.
> http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/dynamount.html
> Keep in mind when reading google posts that there is the OLD and the
> NEW version of this thing.
> Some people haven't like the new one, but the old one REALLY got a bad
> rap (otherwise why would he re-engineer it?) though I do know a couple
> of people who are fine with the old one.
> Like I said, so far I like it.
> Gary seems like a nice enough guy. Why don't you email him and ask if
> he has a return policy if you don't like it ?
>
> >"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
> >news:8773kvkoeiovff5ruvvpog33rf4d879869@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:25 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
> >> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> >> >suspension things aren't very good.
> >>
> >> I bought the new Gauger basket thing for a 14 recently not because of
> >> the sound of the drum but because I was tired of carrying around a
> >> huge, heavy stand to suspend it and didn't want to drill for leg
> >> holders.
> >> I have only had it on a few gigs, so it still remains to be seen
> >> whether some of the parts will start to loosen and rattle which is my
> >> main concern. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it
> >> took me a LONG time to put it together. There are some parts that you
> >> can easily put on backwards or upside down and not realize it because
> >> the instuctions and especially the pictures are not clear enough.
> >> However, I am not generally good at that stuff in the first place.
> >> The drum sounded BETTER than when it was hanging from that huge heavy
> >> stand with a DW rims type mount. Contrary to what some have said, the
> >> gauger basket doesn't feel at all heavy to me but it does feel sturdy
> >> enough.
> >> I do have to use a 16" case now.
> >> good luck,
> >>
> >>
> >> Keith Runfola
> >> www.jazzdrummer.com
> >
>
> Keith Runfola
> www.jazzdrummer.com

[George Lawrence]

Jonathan,

Several things, just to clarify:

The rubber grommets should be large side up.

The rubber grommets support the drum by the metal ring of the head not the
counterhoop of the drum.

If you haven't achieved total alignment with the tension rods sitting in the
middle of each grommet, then try that again until aligned. I've never had a
RIMS type mount that couldn't be bent into position.

Aligning the grommetts with the tension rod recievers should align the
grommets with the head once the drum is suspended but check and make sure
that the grommets aren't pressing against the tension rod when the drum is
suspended.

Last of all, eliminate the possiblity of the mounting hardware and/or stands
being the culprits by doing several things; 1. holding the drum up by hand
with the suspension mount on and, 2. placing the mounting clamp in different
places on the stand and also try different stands, 3. try placing the drum
on different positions up and down the L ARM.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"Jonathan Khoo" <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f4192ac$0$23588$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net. au...
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty
much
> ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
> with it chokes the drum when it's mounted. It boxes up the sound and makes
> it sound like a bouncing basketball (you know what i mean :)). I've
fiddled
> with this thing on end, bending the rims mount to suit, inwards, outwards,
> all of it. No go. It just chokes when it's up on the stand, and doesn't
ever
> totally sit on the tension rod recievers. The odd thing is that the 10"
and
> 12" toms, with the same system (but less lugs involved due to the size)
> totally SING. The 12" especially sounds huge and full.
>
> I have checked the edges over on the 14" and they are perfect. The shell
is
> in round, so i don't think it's something to do with that. I tried
removing
> the RIMS system and threw it on a Pearl ISS (which didn't *quite* fit) for
a
> bit and the tone opened up a bit more. With no mounts, it sings. It's just
> when i fit it with the RIMS it totally boxes it up. I tried tuning with a
> brand new clear Aquarian Double Thin, same thing.
>
> So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> suspension things aren't very good. George tells me that buying a
"genuine"
> RIMS system wouldn't help much, as they are pretty much all the same.
Would
> drilling it for legs be an option?
>
> I'm totally lost as to what to do here. Any ideas, guys (besides buying a
> new drum ;P)?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jon
>
>
>

[joem]

Jonathan Khoo wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> I see - i didn't know that there was an older version of the Dyna. Just
> thought it was the one design, didn't know he re-engineered it.

he did. I spoke with Gary numerous times while he was working on it.
he was incredibly helpful. IIRC, he said that on some drums, the old one
would choke the **** out of the drum; but on others it would sound wonderful.

the new one is actually bigger than the old one. but it allows you to
use whatever mounts you want and you can place them anywhere you want
(they're fixed on the old one). it also has more adjustments to make it
fit your drum better.

the old one is still manufactured by Pacific (DW) if you'd like to try
it. I think it's around $80 or so; which is much cheaper than the new
one, IIRC.

--
Joe.

"you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
chance." - storm&stress

[George Lawrence]

also , another variable;Move the RIMS mounts to different lugs.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:hHi0b.9265$Ih1.3419410@newssrv26.news.prodigy .com...
> Jonathan,
>
> Several things, just to clarify:
>
> The rubber grommets should be large side up.
>
> The rubber grommets support the drum by the metal ring of the head not the
> counterhoop of the drum.
>
> If you haven't achieved total alignment with the tension rods sitting in
the
> middle of each grommet, then try that again until aligned. I've never had
a
> RIMS type mount that couldn't be bent into position.
>
> Aligning the grommetts with the tension rod recievers should align the
> grommets with the head once the drum is suspended but check and make sure
> that the grommets aren't pressing against the tension rod when the drum is
> suspended.
>
> Last of all, eliminate the possiblity of the mounting hardware and/or
stands
> being the culprits by doing several things; 1. holding the drum up by
hand
> with the suspension mount on and, 2. placing the mounting clamp in
different
> places on the stand and also try different stands, 3. try placing the drum
> on different positions up and down the L ARM.
>
> --
> George Lawrence
> George's Drum Shop
> 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
> Copley, Ohio 44321
> http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
> http://www.Drumguru.com
> 330 670 0800
> toll free 866 970 0800
>
> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
> buy each of his children a drum."
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
>
>
> "Jonathan Khoo" <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:3f4192ac$0$23588$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net. au...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty
> much
> > ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
> > with it chokes the drum when it's mounted. It boxes up the sound and
makes
> > it sound like a bouncing basketball (you know what i mean :)). I've
> fiddled
> > with this thing on end, bending the rims mount to suit, inwards,
outwards,
> > all of it. No go. It just chokes when it's up on the stand, and doesn't
> ever
> > totally sit on the tension rod recievers. The odd thing is that the 10"
> and
> > 12" toms, with the same system (but less lugs involved due to the size)
> > totally SING. The 12" especially sounds huge and full.
> >
> > I have checked the edges over on the 14" and they are perfect. The shell
> is
> > in round, so i don't think it's something to do with that. I tried
> removing
> > the RIMS system and threw it on a Pearl ISS (which didn't *quite* fit)
for
> a
> > bit and the tone opened up a bit more. With no mounts, it sings. It's
just
> > when i fit it with the RIMS it totally boxes it up. I tried tuning with
a
> > brand new clear Aquarian Double Thin, same thing.
> >
> > So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> > suspension things aren't very good. George tells me that buying a
> "genuine"
> > RIMS system wouldn't help much, as they are pretty much all the same.
> Would
> > drilling it for legs be an option?
> >
> > I'm totally lost as to what to do here. Any ideas, guys (besides buying
a
> > new drum ;P)?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Khoo]

Cool, thanks for that, Joe. Interestingly enough, just as i was reading your
post, I noticed that the new Dynamounts are going at an introductory price,
about US$85 + shipping for a 14".

Thanks for the info, though. Much appreciated.
Jon

"joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in message
news:slrnbk3e11.k5a.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain. ..
> Jonathan Khoo wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> > I see - i didn't know that there was an older version of the Dyna. Just
> > thought it was the one design, didn't know he re-engineered it.
>
> he did. I spoke with Gary numerous times while he was working on it.
> he was incredibly helpful. IIRC, he said that on some drums, the old one
> would choke the **** out of the drum; but on others it would sound
wonderful.
>
> the new one is actually bigger than the old one. but it allows you to
> use whatever mounts you want and you can place them anywhere you want
> (they're fixed on the old one). it also has more adjustments to make it
> fit your drum better.
>
> the old one is still manufactured by Pacific (DW) if you'd like to try
> it. I think it's around $80 or so; which is much cheaper than the new
> one, IIRC.
>
> --
> Joe.
>
> "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
> chance." - storm&stress

[Keith Runfola]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:08:32 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
<jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:

>I see - i didn't know that there was an older version of the Dyna. Just
>thought it was the one design, didn't know he re-engineered it. Thanks for
>that, Keith. I'll keep that in mind as an option. Between drilling and
>spending the cash for a Dynamount, what's your take on thebest way to go?
>
>Thanks!
>Jon

Well, when I was faced with that choice I bought the Dynamount and
have been happy so far.
Once you've drilled you can't go back.


>"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
>news:caa3kvoplng7co5u5f4l3ao65f4bp5ft5j@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:23:11 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
>> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Keith,
>> >
>> >Thanks for that. Interesting - so the basket didn't choke up the tone at
>> >all? When i google searched on this product, i read through a few posts
>that
>> >basically stated that the basket choked up the drum and made it even more
>> >dead than on a rims mount. What do you think?
>> >
>> >thanks!
>> >Jon
>>
>> I liked it better with the Gauger "Dynamount" (that's what he calls
>> it). It didn't sound bad hanging from a (DW) Rims mount before but
>> better afterwards. Don't know why. Maybe I just had it tuned better!
>> :) I was a little leery right before I first hit it, because I wasn't
>> sure I had the rubber gromets or whatever they are called and the
>> springs alligned correctly. Gauger harps on this point in the
>> instructions. But I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the pic of it on
>> the Gauger site in case you haven't seen it yet.
>> http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/dynamount.html
>> Keep in mind when reading google posts that there is the OLD and the
>> NEW version of this thing.
>> Some people haven't like the new one, but the old one REALLY got a bad
>> rap (otherwise why would he re-engineer it?) though I do know a couple
>> of people who are fine with the old one.
>> Like I said, so far I like it.
>> Gary seems like a nice enough guy. Why don't you email him and ask if
>> he has a return policy if you don't like it ?
>>
>> >"Keith Runfola @mindspring.com>" <krunfola<delete_this> wrote in message
>> >news:8773kvkoeiovff5ruvvpog33rf4d879869@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:25 +1000, "Jonathan Khoo"
>> >> <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
>> >> >suspension things aren't very good.
>> >>
>> >> I bought the new Gauger basket thing for a 14 recently not because of
>> >> the sound of the drum but because I was tired of carrying around a
>> >> huge, heavy stand to suspend it and didn't want to drill for leg
>> >> holders.
>> >> I have only had it on a few gigs, so it still remains to be seen
>> >> whether some of the parts will start to loosen and rattle which is my
>> >> main concern. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it
>> >> took me a LONG time to put it together. There are some parts that you
>> >> can easily put on backwards or upside down and not realize it because
>> >> the instuctions and especially the pictures are not clear enough.
>> >> However, I am not generally good at that stuff in the first place.
>> >> The drum sounded BETTER than when it was hanging from that huge heavy
>> >> stand with a DW rims type mount. Contrary to what some have said, the
>> >> gauger basket doesn't feel at all heavy to me but it does feel sturdy
>> >> enough.
>> >> I do have to use a 16" case now.
>> >> good luck,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Keith Runfola
>> >> www.jazzdrummer.com
>> >
>>
>> Keith Runfola
>> www.jazzdrummer.com
>

Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[Tony Kujawa]

Avoid the RIMS mess and just drill. Use the DW legs, I did the same thing
to my 14 x 11 Starclassic Maple and it just booms now. It was very choked
as a tom. I find that the 14's are the perfect size to make floor toms and
the legs really pull the sound out of them. Trust me. My DW 14 x 11 was
the same way with the legs.

Tony


"Jonathan Khoo" <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f4192ac$0$23588$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net. au...
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty
much
> ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
> with it chokes the drum when it's mounted. It boxes up the sound and makes
> it sound like a bouncing basketball (you know what i mean :)). I've
fiddled
> with this thing on end, bending the rims mount to suit, inwards, outwards,
> all of it. No go. It just chokes when it's up on the stand, and doesn't
ever
> totally sit on the tension rod recievers. The odd thing is that the 10"
and
> 12" toms, with the same system (but less lugs involved due to the size)
> totally SING. The 12" especially sounds huge and full.
>
> I have checked the edges over on the 14" and they are perfect. The shell
is
> in round, so i don't think it's something to do with that. I tried
removing
> the RIMS system and threw it on a Pearl ISS (which didn't *quite* fit) for
a
> bit and the tone opened up a bit more. With no mounts, it sings. It's just
> when i fit it with the RIMS it totally boxes it up. I tried tuning with a
> brand new clear Aquarian Double Thin, same thing.
>
> So... what are my options here? I've heard those Gauger/rims floor tom
> suspension things aren't very good. George tells me that buying a
"genuine"
> RIMS system wouldn't help much, as they are pretty much all the same.
Would
> drilling it for legs be an option?
>
> I'm totally lost as to what to do here. Any ideas, guys (besides buying a
> new drum ;P)?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jon
>
>
>

[Erich]

"Jonathan Khoo" <jkhoo@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message news:<3f4192ac$0$23588$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this 11x14 hanging floor that has been giving me grief pretty much
> ever since i got it. The problem is that the RIMS type system that comes
> with it chokes the drum when it's mounted.

snip

> So... what are my options here?

I got this idea from a guy at Pearl in Nashville. (And it works f'ing
awesome!!)

Get 3 Peal ISS mounts and fit them with floor tom leg brackets.
(You'll need to drill it.) Put the ISS mounts on the BOTTOM hoop.

This also allows the FT legs to sit the drum much higher. =)

Erich Smith

[creux]

everytime ive had similar problems the reason has actually been delamination
somewhere in the shell - even when its not visible on bearing edges, but
with some
experience under my belt from similar problems id say : drill !

[KingTut416]

He has the right idea because I had the same problem. I own a Tama Superstar
kit and I converted all of my concert toms to a double head with rim mounts.
The 12 and 13 sang but the 14 was choked no matter how I retune the drum. I
was about the give up and install legs to it untill I looked at the rim mount
rubber garments. I noticed looking at the 12 and 13 that garments were placed
on large side down and the smaller side up. I was the totally opposite on my
14. Long story short, changing the rubber garments around made a world of
difference. Night and day. Lots of resonace, beautiful decay and bottom end.
I am glad I didn't drill any more holes in it.
I would have been pissed.


>
>I liked it better with the Gauger "Dynamount" (that's what he calls
>it). It didn't sound bad hanging from a (DW) Rims mount before but
>better afterwards. Don't know why. Maybe I just had it tuned better!
>:) I was a little leery right before I first hit it, because I wasn't
>sure I had the rubber gromets or whatever they are called and the
>springs alligned correctly. Gauger harps on this point in the
>instructions. But I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the pic of it on
>the Gauger site in case you haven't seen it yet.
> http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/dynamount.html
>Keep in mind when reading google posts that there is the OLD and the
>NEW version of this thing.
>Some people haven't like the new one, but the old one REALLY got a bad
>rap (otherwise why would he re-engineer it?) though I do know a couple
>of people who are fine with the old one.
>Like I said, so far I like it.
>Gary seems like a nice enough guy. Why don't you email him and ask if
>he has a return policy if you don't like it ?

[George Lawrence]

It's spelled grommet. a garment is a piece of clothing.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"KingTut416" <kingtut416@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030820012017.29767.00000261@mb-m24.aol.com...
> He has the right idea because I had the same problem. I own a Tama
Superstar
> kit and I converted all of my concert toms to a double head with rim
mounts.
> The 12 and 13 sang but the 14 was choked no matter how I retune the drum.
I
> was about the give up and install legs to it untill I looked at the rim
mount
> rubber garments. I noticed looking at the 12 and 13 that garments were
placed
> on large side down and the smaller side up. I was the totally opposite on
my
> 14. Long story short, changing the rubber garments around made a world of
> difference. Night and day. Lots of resonace, beautiful decay and bottom
end.
> I am glad I didn't drill any more holes in it.
> I would have been pissed.
>
>
> >
> >I liked it better with the Gauger "Dynamount" (that's what he calls
> >it). It didn't sound bad hanging from a (DW) Rims mount before but
> >better afterwards. Don't know why. Maybe I just had it tuned better!
> >:) I was a little leery right before I first hit it, because I wasn't
> >sure I had the rubber gromets or whatever they are called and the
> >springs alligned correctly. Gauger harps on this point in the
> >instructions. But I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the pic of it on
> >the Gauger site in case you haven't seen it yet.
> > http://www.gaugerpercussion.com/dynamount.html
> >Keep in mind when reading google posts that there is the OLD and the
> >NEW version of this thing.
> >Some people haven't like the new one, but the old one REALLY got a bad
> >rap (otherwise why would he re-engineer it?) though I do know a couple
> >of people who are fine with the old one.
> >Like I said, so far I like it.
> >Gary seems like a nice enough guy. Why don't you email him and ask if
> >he has a return policy if you don't like it ?
>
>

[KingTut416]

>It's spelled grommet. a garment is a piece of clothing

Yah, Yah, Yah, but you got the point. Forgive my spelling

[George Lawrence]

as far as I know the grommet is supposed to be large side up. I'll have to
toy around with the small side.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb




"KingTut416" <kingtut416@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030820023044.00807.00000292@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >It's spelled grommet. a garment is a piece of clothing
>
> Yah, Yah, Yah, but you got the point. Forgive my spelling