on *****es brew

[creux]

what was miles up to???
its been yrs since i last listened to these records but recently dusted them
off and put them under the needle. theres a big difference where the band
plays behind miles and with themselves. with miles its steady rhythm and
when miles quiets down its something completely different.
is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or work of
a cecil-taylor-wannabe???

[Keith Runfola]

>in article 8hs0b.289$kV1.249@read3.inet.fi, creux at
>creux@****youifyoumailmethat****.suomi24.fi wrote on 8/19/03 9:31 AM:
>

>> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or work of
>> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???

I don't think it's either one of those things.
Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
Brew. You can still hear those roots in much of what is called fusion
these days. Fusion has split off into many different paths since then,
some good some awful.


Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[riddim]

> >> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or
work of
> >> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???
>
> I don't think it's either one of those things.
> Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
> Brew.

BB was an important album, with many of the cats who put "fusion" on the
map.

I think Bob Moses and Larry Coryell might have a different take on this.

However, to say Miles invented the idiom ignores bands artists like the
Free Spirits, Jeremy Steig and the Satyrs, etc., whose efforts preceded this
record. They were all mixing elements from the jazz and rock traditions.

[David Crigger]

in article vk5krq8ul3mjd1@corp.supernews.com, riddim at riddim@localnet.com
wrote on 8/19/03 7:49 PM:

>>>> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or
> work of
>>>> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???
>>
>> I don't think it's either one of those things.
>> Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
>> Brew.
>
> BB was an important album, with many of the cats who put "fusion" on the
> map.
>
> I think Bob Moses and Larry Coryell might have a different take on this.
>
> However, to say Miles invented the idiom ignores bands artists like the
> Free Spirits, Jeremy Steig and the Satyrs, etc., whose efforts preceded this
> record. They were all mixing elements from the jazz and rock traditions.
>
>
Don Ellis as well. But in fairness to Mile's legacy, he was also dabbling
with mixing jazz and rock elements a few albums before Brew. And as you say,
it was an important album beyond the music itself. For so many sidemen from
one album to go forth and have such impact is pretty special.

David

[Keith Runfola]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:49:58 -0500, "riddim" <riddim@localnet.com>
wrote:

>> >> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or
>work of
>> >> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???
>>
>> I don't think it's either one of those things.
>> Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
>> Brew.
>
>BB was an important album, with many of the cats who put "fusion" on the
>map.
>
>I think Bob Moses and Larry Coryell might have a different take on this.
>
>However, to say Miles invented the idiom ignores bands artists like the
>Free Spirits, Jeremy Steig and the Satyrs, etc., whose efforts preceded this
>record. They were all mixing elements from the jazz and rock traditions.
>

That's why I said "more or less". :)


Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[creux]

..
>Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
>Brew. You can still hear those roots in much of what is called fusion


propably, but it seems that corea & zawinul actually carry out the whole
charade on these albums. when they become the dominant voices the music
becomes clearer and there is a certain direction inside the free form.
behind miles its like sunny murray & cecil taylor trying to play 50's
quintet stuff on behalf of the band.
this is a very disturbing record. i gotta give it a few more listenings...

[O-Lugs]

Keith Runfola <krunfola<delete_this>@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<ft55kvg1j1dq90k3moaukios41mn3agdus@4ax.com>...
> >in article 8hs0b.289$kV1.249@read3.inet.fi, creux at
> >creux@****youifyoumailmethat****.suomi24.fi wrote on 8/19/03 9:31 AM:
> >
>
> >> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or work of
> >> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???
>
> I don't think it's either one of those things.
> Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
> Brew. You can still hear those roots in much of what is called fusion
> these days. Fusion has split off into many different paths since then,
> some good some awful.
>
>
> Keith Runfola
> www.jazzdrummer.com

It's a psychadelic album.

[Keith Runfola]

On 20 Aug 2003 11:46:15 -0700, b_jamesbond@hotmail.com (O-Lugs) wrote:

>Keith Runfola <krunfola<delete_this>@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<ft55kvg1j1dq90k3moaukios41mn3agdus@4ax.com>...
>> >in article 8hs0b.289$kV1.249@read3.inet.fi, creux at
>> >creux@****youifyoumailmethat****.suomi24.fi wrote on 8/19/03 9:31 AM:
>> >
>>
>> >> is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or work of
>> >> a cecil-taylor-wannabe???
>>
>> I don't think it's either one of those things.
>> Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
>> Brew. You can still hear those roots in much of what is called fusion
>> these days. Fusion has split off into many different paths since then,
>> some good some awful.
>>
>>
>> Keith Runfola
>> www.jazzdrummer.com
>
>It's a psychadelic album.

Ha! You're right!


Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com

[Todd]

"is this album a big mishmash of odd influences with a fading star or
work of
a cecil-taylor-wannabe???"

From the little I remember about Miles' autobiography, he mentions the
motivation for this album came from three(?) women he was close to
telling him he ought to make an album like Jimi Hendrix and others
bands (been a while since I read the book) that were very popular at
the time. So he named the album and music after the....uh, women.

Good book in any case...

Todd

"creux" <creux@****youifyoumailmethat****.suomi24.fi> wrote in message news:<nJH0b.134$u43.89@read3.inet.fi>...
> .
> >Miles more or less invented fusion in one fell swoop with *****es
> >Brew. You can still hear those roots in much of what is called fusion
>
>
> propably, but it seems that corea & zawinul actually carry out the whole
> charade on these albums. when they become the dominant voices the music
> becomes clearer and there is a certain direction inside the free form.
> behind miles its like sunny murray & cecil taylor trying to play 50's
> quintet stuff on behalf of the band.
> this is a very disturbing record. i gotta give it a few more listenings...