what are you using drum overheads these days?

[Rich Wilner]

just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

[Steve Holt]

I use 451s too. They sound great for drum overheads. With a Senn 421 on
snare and RE 20 on kick.

--
Steve Holt
INNER MUSIC
Music Creation & Production
\http://www.inner-music.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/steveholt

"Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.co m...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

[Jeff Liberatore]

"Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.co m...

> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

KM 184's...


--
Jeff
http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore

[Rob Adelman]

Rich Wilner wrote:

> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

Using at4051a's

[chetatkinsdiet]

I'm trying to simplify everything these days. Going back to the ol'
three mic trick as often as possible. I've been using an AT5040
overhead in omni. I'm sure I'd rather have a U47 or 251Elam if I had
one. But I'm happy.
later,
m

[ScotFraser]

<< just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays. >>

Lately I'm liking a single overhead better than stereo, & using a TLM103 into a
Red 7 for that. For stereo it's still the KM140s in ORTF into a DVC.

Scott Fraser

[Garthrr]

In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) writes:

>just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
>i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
>drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
>which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

For quite a while I was using Earthworks ZX 30 cardioids but then I tried a
Soundelux U195 and liked it so much I bought another just so I could use them
for drum OH. I have also had pretty good results with KSM 32 and AT4050 pairs.
I have yet to try my AT4047 in that app but I think it might work well.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[jim andrews]

In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
richardwilner@hotmail.com says...

> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

On the record I'm doing now, I used a pair of Royer 121 ribbon mics.
The overall sound is a bit on the dark side, but everything is there,
and it seems that they are highly "EQ-able". I can bring up the high
end to get a bit more cymbal presence, and things don't get screechy at
all.

I borrowed one of the mics to do this -- I think I'm gonna have to buy
one so as to always have a pair on hand. Me likey.

jim andrews
basset sound
austin, tx

[Joshua David]

Josephson C42s or occasionally a Soundelux U195....
Joshua

[Lou Gimenez]

I've used 4050's for overheads, lately I've been using them for room mics. I
use a pair of earthworks SR77's most of the time
--Lou Gimenez
The Music Lab
2" 24track w all the Goodies
www.musiclabnyc.com



> From: richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: 21 Aug 2003 06:37:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: what are you using drum overheads these days?
>
>> For quite a while I was using Earthworks ZX 30 cardioids but then I tried a
>> Soundelux U195 and liked it so much I bought another just so I could use them
>> for drum OH. I have also had pretty good results with KSM 32 and AT4050
>> pairs.
>> I have yet to try my AT4047 in that app but I think it might work well.
>>
>> Garth~
>>
>>
>> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
>> Ed Cherney
>
>
> my experience with LDCs as overheads is great sounding drums, and
> weird sounding cymbals (nasally usually). butthen i've only ever used
> the chinese condensers, never anything with decent off-axis response.
> when do you choose LDCs over the SDCs? I've been looking at a pair of
> KSM32/44 or AT4050 for a little while now, both for vox and dms oh.
> and btw, for rock kick drum, atm25 is the best mic around for the
> money (at least that's my opinion this week).
> Rich

[Aaron Householter]

I'm using a variety, Usually early silver 451's with ck1, sometimes a
shure vp88, sometimes an AKG c422 stereo mic and rarely a pair of
U87's.
The 451's are mostly the ones used, spaced apart on both sides of the
kit about 6ft up maybe more, maybe less. I'd really like to try a pair
of schoeps 221's though. They sound like a million on a high hat, just
curious how they would be on OH
Aaron Householter
studio1117

[Kurt Albershardt]

Rich Wilner wrote:
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.

Modified C460B's, mostly.

[Kurt Albershardt]

jim andrews wrote:
>
> On the record I'm doing now, I used a pair of Royer 121 ribbon mics.
> The overall sound is a bit on the dark side, but everything is there,
> and it seems that they are highly "EQ-able". I can bring up the high
> end to get a bit more cymbal presence, and things don't get screechy at
> all.
>
> I borrowed one of the mics to do this -- I think I'm gonna have to buy
> one so as to always have a pair on hand. Me likey.

You should listen to an SF-12 as well. I've heard some fantastic stuff
done with one up and out front of the kit.

Try your R-121 on kick, about 3 feet out and pointed down 45º towards
the floor.

[P Stamler]

KM-84s, or SM-81s if the drummer hits too hard for KM-84s. Once in a while,
don't laugh, Alesis AM-44s -- great impact. In all cases, they're in XY or
ORTF, depending on how much space I want in the sound.

Peace,
Paul

[Jay Kadis]

In article <1061485337.976083@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net> Kurt Albershardt
<kurt@nv.net> writes:
> Rich Wilner wrote:
> > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
>
> Modified C460B's, mostly.

With CK-61 or CK-62? I've found the CK-61 to be kind of strident compared to
the omni capsule. Anyway, I've ordered a pair of Josephson C42s for cardioids
to replace the C460s.

What mods and did they help?

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ----x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

[Nick H]

2 Coles & a Korby...
Woo Hoo!

[Kurt Albershardt]

Jay Kadis wrote:
> In article <1061485337.976083@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net> Kurt Albershardt
> <kurt@nv.net> writes:
>
>> Rich Wilner wrote:
>>
>>> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
>>
>> Modified C460B's, mostly.
>
>
> With CK-61 or CK-62? I've found the CK-61 to be kind of strident compared to
> the omni capsule.

CK-62, often CK-63 depending on the room.



> Anyway, I've ordered a pair of Josephson C42s for cardioids
> to replace the C460s.
>
> What mods and did they help?

Jim Williams does a complete forklift upgrade on the amplifier bodies.
Frontend FET and driver amp are replaced, all the caps are upgraded, and
the transformer is removed. $175 makes it a completely different mic.

[Fibes]

On 21 Aug 2003 11:35:06 -0700, nother68@hotmail.com (Nick H) wrote:

>2 Coles & a Korby...
>Woo Hoo!

heh.

i'm all about the SM2, a pair of 121s or the occasional 184 combo. I
tried those Blue Balls the other night and they sucked just as bad
there as everywhere else. heh heh.

Fibes

"You can like it, or not like it."

[Wayne]

Usually AT4050's or AT4041's. Sometimes three mics using AT4050 over snare,
TLM103 over the floor tom(right shoulder) and RE20 or ATM25 on kick.

Wayne

[Garthrr]

In article <e5e18e0f.0308210537.6a392ddf@posting.google.com>,
richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) writes:

>my experience with LDCs as overheads is great sounding drums, and
>weird sounding cymbals (nasally usually). butthen i've only ever used
>the chinese condensers, never anything with decent off-axis response.
>when do you choose LDCs over the SDCs?

When they seem to sound better. I was fairly happy with the Earthworks for a
couple of years but I wasnt nut about them and nothing else I had tried was
better. When I tried the U195s I noticed that I liked the cymbals
more--silkier, less brash. I had occassion to record the same drummer and his
same kit on a number of songs, some with the Earthworks and some with the
Soundelux. When it came time to mix it was obvious that the Soundelux tracks
were much more musical sweet. In comparison I noticed a boxiness in the
Earthworks tracks. To be fair, I think the boxiness is mostly my room but
nevertheless the U195 tracks just sounded better so I continue to default to
them.
The KSM 32 is a 3/4" diaphram if I remember correctly so they might have better
off axis response than large dia and I would bet they would sound smoother than
most of the Chinese LD mics. Thats my guess anyway.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[jim andrews]

In article <1061485422.114103@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>, kurt@nv.net says...
> jim andrews wrote:
> >
> > On the record I'm doing now, I used a pair of Royer 121 ribbon mics.
> > The overall sound is a bit on the dark side, but everything is there,
> > and it seems that they are highly "EQ-able". I can bring up the high
> > end to get a bit more cymbal presence, and things don't get screechy at
> > all.
> >
> > I borrowed one of the mics to do this -- I think I'm gonna have to buy
> > one so as to always have a pair on hand. Me likey.
>
> You should listen to an SF-12 as well. I've heard some fantastic stuff
> done with one up and out front of the kit.
>
> Try your R-121 on kick, about 3 feet out and pointed down 45º towards
> the floor.

Interesting thoughts. The SF-12 is the stereo mic, right? If my 121
works on the kick, then maybe an SF-12 is a good idea for overheads.
I'll try the 121 on kick first.

jim andrews
basset sound
austin, tx

[JoavS]

AKG 451B matched pair in ORTF, using the supplied bar, into MP2MH balanced
out. Usually pads at -10dB unless it's a soft jazz.

--
Joav Shdema
Producer/Engineer
dB Studio A
Joav Shdema Inc.



"Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.co m...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

[John Noll]

Rich Wilner wrote:
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


KM84's.

--
--
John Noll
Retromedia Sound Studios
Red Bank, NJ 07701

Phone: 732-842-3853 Fax: 732-842-5631

http://www.retromedia.net

[Cerion]

It's fun to hear when other people's experience seem to coincide with one's
own, but also interesting to hear about new stuff you haven't tried too.
From my limited experience ( 451s, Octavas, SM81s, 460Bs, 4033s, 4047s and
even SM57s, nyuk nyuk) I ended up really liking the AT4047, mainly for the
way it renders cymbals, pretty smooth sounding/not too bright. My latest
favorite mic set up is the XY with capsules close to one another. I borrowed
some KM84s once and they sounded good, but there are some cheaper mics now
that are a better value I think (if money is an issue). When I had an analog
set up, seems like overheads were less critical than with digital. I
dunno... Anyway, each mic has it's own signature. Seems to me like
overhead mic selections are based on subtleties in the mid-range that are
either subjectively pleasing for a particular set up or not. Smooth is good,
bumps in the response generally suck. I would guess that at very high
frequencies, the physical geometry of the capsule, surrounding structure and
wind screen are very critical and to eliminate the usual range of bumps one
finds in mics might involve a much smaller diaphragm and less clutter around
it. Probably an ideal mic wouldn't have a wind screen or any structure
around the front at all, just a nice boundary on the same plane. ? I've
heard some people really rave about Omnis with smaller capsules and much
flatter response. I'm really interested in trying some of those... Anway,
once you've tweaked on a particular set-up, you can add that to your
vocabulary of recording and then pick the one you like. :-p


S

[Cerion]

Hi,

Kick always comes up too so I thought it would be fun to add my own
experience, which seems to be different from most all the other posts.

I've tried 421, SM57, PL20, RE20, 414, 4033, 4047, PZM, PCC, 451, 460B,
SM81, M69, and a few others on kicks.
I ended up really liking the way boundary mics work, e.g. PZM, PCC, or even
Shure or AT cardiod boundary mics, like the kind used for conferencing, that
people set on tables for recording, which I've seen posted before. But my
second choice is usually a large diaphragm condenser, which I haven't seen
many people mention or comment on in the news group. I almost never like
the way dynamic mics sound as compared to the large diaphragm condenser, so
that's always puzzled me when I hear people comparing kick mic experiences
and they never talk about trying condensers. I've gotten some fun kick
sounds with dynamic mics, but only with very heavy EQ. You can get heavily
affected and/or EQd kick sounds -and- very natural un-affected sounds with a
good large diaphragm condenser or boundary mic. :-)

Skler

[Bob Ross]

Since the present tense of the question implies the most current project, I
have to 'fess up that it's been a pair of AKG C451B's on my most recent
recordings. But 451's of some variety or another have regularly turned out to
be my favorite mic for drum overheads, so that shouldn't come as a surprise (to
me at least).

FWIW, other slightly less recent choices have included AKG C414ULS, Earthworks
TC40k (especially into API 550B EQ), Neumann KM84, Neumann U-87ai, MXL 2001-P
(gasp!), Sennheiser MD441, and, for live use, Shure SM81.

If I go back any farther I'd just be bragging.

/Bob Ross

[Dave Martin]

Electrovoice RE-2000's

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

[RL,nyc]

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

I have been using 4 mics for the drums lately:

A pair of studio projects C3 as overheads "Glynn Johns" style (one
over the snare and one on the side of the floor tom facing the high
hat. They are in omni, and they are running into a GR 2NV. Gives a
teriffic stereo image. Been meaning to try out my 2 Beyer M160s
(cartioid) but like the omni for the phasing issues and to get a
little more room. I would really like a pair of Coles (figure 8), but
keep spending my $$ on other stuff.

Royer 121 (figure 8) as kick drum mic about a foot and a half in front
of the bass drum (both heads on and covered with a blanket. This mic
goes into an Amek CIB.

Neumann TLM103 (cartioid) as room mic about 8-10 feet facing the front
of the kit at shoulder level going into a Joe Meek VC1 and compressed
a bunch.

There is a lot of bleed, and lots of kick and snare in all mics (as
well as sometimes too much cymbals - but it's "real", that's for
sure). The room sounds good and is 20 X 15 X 14'. The kit is in a
corner which is dead but diagonally faces windows for a live and hard
first reflection.

Best,
RL, NYC

[Kurt Albershardt]

RL,nyc wrote:
>
> Royer 121 (figure 8) as kick drum mic about a foot and a half in front
> of the bass drum (both heads on and covered with a blanket. This mic
> goes into an Amek CIB.
> ...
> There is a lot of bleed, and lots of kick and snare in all mics (as
> well as sometimes too much cymbals

If you point that R121 down toward the floor at around 45º, its null
will be pointing at the snare/toms/hat.

[John L Rice]

"Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.co m...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

A pair of Neumann TLM193

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Wayne" <ybstudios@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030821184603.06546.00000316@mb-m28.aol.com...
> Usually AT4050's or AT4041's. Sometimes three mics using AT4050 over snare,
> TLM103 over the floor tom(right shoulder) and RE20 or ATM25 on kick.
>
> Wayne


AT 4041s or AKG 451eb

DM

[BLCKOUT420]

Octava 012s.

[Mark Plancke]

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote:

>just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
>i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
>drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
>which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

I was using a pair of AKG C61 w/ck1 capsules through a Great River for
a long time. The C61 is the Nuvistor tube version of the C60 and what
became the 451, nice mic, very bright!

I just recently went to a pair of KM84's through a pair of Telefunken
V72's which is a very nice combination and takes EQ really well.

Placement varies depending on the project and drummer.

Mark
http://SoundtechRecording.com

"Putting the lion's share of your attention and investment out in front
of the microphones pays off every time." -- Bob Olhsson

[RL,nyc]

Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message news:<1061529746.983614@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net>...
> RL,nyc wrote:
> >
> > Royer 121 (figure 8) as kick drum mic about a foot and a half in front
> > of the bass drum (both heads on and covered with a blanket. This mic
> > goes into an Amek CIB.
> > ...
> > There is a lot of bleed, and lots of kick and snare in all mics (as
> > well as sometimes too much cymbals
>
> If you point that R121 down toward the floor at around 45º, its null
> will be pointing at the snare/toms/hat.

Thanks. Good advice. I already do that. I meant the bleed in the other
three mics, which contribute towards the kick drum sound especially
(in a good way)

--RL, NYC

[Harvey Gerst]

>"Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote:
>just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.

A pair of R84 ribbon mics, from AEA.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Rich Wilner]

> I have been using 4 mics for the drums lately:
>
> A pair of studio projects C3 as overheads "Glynn Johns" style (one
> over the snare and one on the side of the floor tom facing the high
> hat. They are in omni, and they are running into a GR 2NV. Gives a
> teriffic stereo image. Been meaning to try out my 2 Beyer M160s
> (cartioid) but like the omni for the phasing issues and to get a
> little more room. I would really like a pair of Coles (figure 8), but
> keep spending my $$ on other stuff.

hm...
no phase issues with such closely spaced omnis? do you use a baffle/jecklin disc?

[Studi LaRoche]

lately i've been switching between KM184's, TLM 103's and Schoeps
221b's. we did have the luxery of a pair of M49s recently, but that
was just a rental.


ben

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.

[Kris Singh]

I like KM184s for drum overheads. Or a C24 if available.-Kris



richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

[Fibes]

On 21 Aug 2003 23:00:03 GMT, garthrr@aol.com (Garthrr) wrote:


>The KSM 32 is a 3/4" diaphram if I remember correctly so they might have better
>off axis response than large dia and I would bet they would sound smoother than
>most of the Chinese LD mics. Thats my guess anyway.
>Garth~


I've HAD to use them (KSM 32s) on occasion and found them to be very
neutral. It was a pleasant surprise but then again my expectations may
have colored it a bit.
Fibes

"You can like it, or not like it."

[RL,nyc]

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308220657.3a73eac6@posting.google.com>...
> > I have been using 4 mics for the drums lately:
> >
> > A pair of studio projects C3 as overheads "Glynn Johns" style (one
> > over the snare and one on the side of the floor tom facing the high
> > hat. They are in omni, and they are running into a GR 2NV. Gives a
> > teriffic stereo image. Been meaning to try out my 2 Beyer M160s
> > (cartioid) but like the omni for the phasing issues and to get a
> > little more room. I would really like a pair of Coles (figure 8), but
> > keep spending my $$ on other stuff.
>
> hm...
> no phase issues with such closely spaced omnis? do you use a baffle/jecklin disc?

omni has less phasing issues that directional patterns, or so i have
been taught. why would there be problems based on closeness in omni?
i am only using my ears, but neither i nor anyone who has heard the
results have had anything but good comments. no baffles, and i
wouldn't know a "jecklin disc" if it hit me on the head. I am not a
"schooled" engineer, although i have been in enough studios on enough
projects with great engineers to have learned how to fool the
scientists. there are some phasing issues with the room mic which is
in cartioid, but i have a little labs ibp to deal with that.

best,
RL, NYC

[Garthrr]

In article <vkbghqdtj0ga15@corp.supernews.com>, "John L Rice"
<Drummer@ImJohn.com> writes:

>A pair of Neumann TLM193

How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting another
for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

I tend to use a small combination of Altec M11 and M20, RCA BK-5B,
Neumann U89, B&O BM-5, with some EV RE-20 and AKG D112 down low.
Rarely end up using more than 4 of those in a mix, and I find I get
more usable tracks on tape if I don't even set up more than 4 of them.


ulysses

[John L Rice]

"Garthrr" <garthrr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030822173429.12300.00000086@mb-m20.aol.com...
> In article <vkbghqdtj0ga15@corp.supernews.com>, "John L Rice"
> <Drummer@ImJohn.com> writes:
>
> >A pair of Neumann TLM193
>
> How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting
another
> for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding.
>
> Garth~
>
>
> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
> Ed Cherney

I like them a lot. I run them through two channels of John Hardy M-1. It's
a nice combination. I was using a pair of Audix TR40's which I also liked a
lot and had a more impressive low end sound ( mainly since they are omni's
I'll guess ) but occasionally they seemed to distort slightly on
particularly loud cymbal crashes. I did try a pair of Shure KSM32's but
they brought out too much of my ( horrible ) room sound. If I had a great
sounding room they might of been fine but the TLM193's worked really well,
partially because the room sound seemed less pronounced. I also use a Royer
R121 as a room mic.

You should give your TLM193 a try as a mono overhead and see what you think.

Best of luck!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

[Tom Garneau]

Neumann KM-264's and a Royer SF-12

I cut them both and decide which pair to use later.

cheers,

tom

Rich Wilner <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote:

> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

[ScotFraser]

<< How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting
another
for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding. >>

I've used a pair of TLM193s on overheads, & they are somewhat dark, but not
overly so. Mainly it just didn't do anything special for me & since I have a
lot of other pairs I haven't tried too hard to make it work. For location
recording I've occasionally put one TLM193 out front because that was what was
fast & easy, but for one point drum miking I'm preferring a TLM103.



Scott Fraser

[Jay - atldigi]

Typical small diaphragm mics like B&Ks, Sennheiser MKH-40, AKG 451s, but
usually not Schoeps. I sometimes use them elsewhere, but not as
overheads. XY or ORTF typically. I save the big Neumanns for room mics
(often M50 or M49, but U87 or TLM170 sometimes - the TLM70 is a great
jack of all trades and great on piano), but not usually for overheads.
KM 84s or 184s are a great pick for hi-hat, but again, not usually
overheads. I have tried the "not typically used" examples above, among
others like SM81 or AT4051, and they all gave acceptable results, but
didn't find their way into common use as overheads. The first three seem
to do a better job, and the others are too valuable in other places.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

[mr.gefell]

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


microtech gefell mk202 mic capsule + mv 220 p48 mic body--->chandler tg-2


best **** i have heard in a long time.

[ScotFraser]

<< Oh yeah, and sometimes I'll stick a small-diaphragm omni condensor
about 2"-3" above the kick next to the rack tom pointed at the side of
the snare and squash to taste. >>

So this is below the rim of the rack tom? Do you get a reasonable blend of rack
& floor tom in here, or does the compression make that a moot point?


Scott Fraser

[Monte P McGuire]

In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
Rich Wilner <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote:
>just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
>i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
>drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
>which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

I use a pair of KM84 for left-right overheads, and for rock stuff,
usually a BLUE B7 on either an AKG 451 body or an AKG C61 body for a
center mike, over the drummer's right shoulder (but basically
centered, as you describe). The center mike is there mostly to pick
up a more distant version of the drums, especially snare, and not
really the cymbals, and it's only really needed when I'm doing rock
stuff where things have to be hyped beyond belief. It does mess up
the cymbal sound, but it helps the snare and tom sound so I deal with
it.

If all I care about is picking up the kit, a pair of 84s with some
spot mikes will make me very happy. I've tried all manner of
condensers for this application, but for some reason, cymbals don't
sound right to me unless they're from KM84s. Other mikes I've tried
tend to piss me off with excess HF response or beaming, so I don't
bother with them any more.

I do use a bit of EQ on the overheads, especially below 500-1K, but as
a starting point, I really like the high end of the KM84. It just
sounds 'right' to me, for some unknown reason, and I can't EQ the high
end of other mikes into the high end I get from the 84s. So, I use
84s...


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire
mcguire@theworld.com

[Mike Janas]

I use a B&K 4007 (but could be any small condensor)and, come to think
of it, it is generally above the lower rim of the rack tom. I put on
headphones & move the mic around until I'm happy with the balance. I
compress the mic to tape, but generally don't pound it - I'm just
using it to help control overall peaks. When I mix I can add more
compression if needed. This works very well with a 4-piece kit, but
can be more challenging with a 5-piece.

MJ


scotfraser@aol.com (ScotFraser) wrote in message news:<20030824142841.21799.00000550@mb-m01.aol.com>...
> << Oh yeah, and sometimes I'll stick a small-diaphragm omni condensor
> about 2"-3" above the kick next to the rack tom pointed at the side of
> the snare and squash to taste. >>
>
> So this is below the rim of the rack tom? Do you get a reasonable blend of rack
> & floor tom in here, or does the compression make that a moot point?
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[deharmonic]

i've been using 2 oktava mk219s on a diagonal axis with satisfactory results

richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
> i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
> drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
> which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.