MP3 to CD-R problem

[G Ford]

Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
they sound fine.

I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
how many times I download them.

Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
not having to waste them)?

Any help is much appreciated.

[Norm]

Are you burning an "audio" CD or a "data" CD? If you are making audio CDs
and using low bitrate mp3 files you may experience what you describe. The
bit rate should ideally be 192 or higher for most music or the quality will
suffer.

Norm

"G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message
news:Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
> tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
> sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
> apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on
MP3,
> they sound fine.
>
> I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
> because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
> everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no
matter
> how many times I download them.
>
> Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
> out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
> not having to waste them)?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
>
>

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

I have a CD player that squeaks because the spindle is goofy. The
squeal somehow manages to come out the speakers too, though. Could
this be your problem?

ulysses


In article <Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, G Ford <A@a.c>
wrote:

> Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
> tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
> sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
> apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
> they sound fine.
>
> I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
> because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
> everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
> how many times I download them.
>
> Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
> out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
> not having to waste them)?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
>
>

[fred-bloggs]

"G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in news:Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com:

> Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R.
> Certain tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or
> so (it almost sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing
> is, it is only apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When
> listening to them on MP3, they sound fine.
>
> I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless
> CD-R's because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn
> and everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem
> no matter how many times I download them.
>
> Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually
> figure out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it
> to CD (thus not having to waste them)?

There are 4 possibilities:
1) bad rip
2) damaged mp3
3) bad decode mp3->wav
4) bad burn

1) download another version (different length/bit rate)
2) to check for sync errors use Encspot, mp3utility or mp3trim.
3) use WinAmp v2 with diskwriter output plugin or dbPowerAmp Music
Converter. Check the wavs by listening and/or viewing in an audio editor
(Goldwave).
4) try different brand CDRs and burning at slower speed. While testing,
you should be able to burn audio to a CDRW, it should play in your
computer's cd drive.

http://www.mpex.net/en/software/download/encspot.html
http://www.geocities.com/mp3utility/
http://www.logiccell.com/~mp3trim/
http://classic.winamp.com/
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm
http://www.goldwave.com/


--
fred

[CQ]

In a previous post, G Ford said...

> The thing is, it is only
> apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
> they sound fine.

If this is the case it is more than likely happening during the burning
process. Downloading new ones is not the answer, even though sometimes
you get a good burn with the new ones, they most likely weren't the
solution.

> I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
> because of this.

It's possible your burner is using some sort of imperfect
implementation of "burn proof" technology that is being called into use
often and is putting a little break in the file which you might hear as a
squeak.

Try not stressing the computer enough to make the burner have to use the
buffer under run protection and see if that doesn't eliminate the
problem. You may have to disable the protection and just burn a bit
slower to avoid it happening.
--
CQ

[anjy]

CQ <cappynospamcue@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b128f0667e2369989855@news.cis.dfn.de>...
> In a previous post, G Ford said...
>
> > The thing is, it is only
> > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
> > they sound fine.
>
> If this is the case it is more than likely happening during the burning
> process. Downloading new ones is not the answer, even though sometimes
> you get a good burn with the new ones, they most likely weren't the
> solution.
>
> > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
> > because of this.
>
> It's possible your burner is using some sort of imperfect
> implementation of "burn proof" technology that is being called into use
> often and is putting a little break in the file which you might hear as a
> squeak.
>
> Try not stressing the computer enough to make the burner have to use the
> buffer under run protection and see if that doesn't eliminate the
> problem. You may have to disable the protection and just burn a bit
> slower to avoid it happening.


When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
following mp3 decoder:
MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
BPS Audio Converter

[anjy]

"G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message news:<Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>...
> Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
> tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
> sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
> apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
> they sound fine.
>
> I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
> because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
> everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
> how many times I download them.
>
> Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
> out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
> not having to waste them)?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.


When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
following mp3 decoder:
MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
BPS Audio Converter

[CQ]

In a previous post, anjy said...

> When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
> work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
> files to CD

Oh, come on. If you are going to break the burning of a CD down into its
component steps then list them all, not just the one that you "happen to
know" a program to help with.

> So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
> first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
> good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.

Well, you don't need a good mp3 decoder *first* since every burning
program on the market these days seems to have one as an integral part of
the program. It has been years since I've seen a CD burning program that
would not decode mp3 files transparently in the background during a burn.

You are right in one respect, though. A good decode has a positive
effect on the audio quality of the resulting CD. I have read many tests
of various decoders being used in the major burning programs and, while
some have produced more errors of a minor sort than others, *none* have
produced any errors of the sort that would explain the problem the OP was
having. I've never seen any independent testing of the one you are
plugging indicating it is any better than any others. Care to direct us
to that info?

If the OP wants to spend $20 for the product you are touting, I suppose
it may be of some use to somebody, somewhere. I can't imagine why anyone
would pay for the program, myself. It does NOTHING that a large number
of free utilities do and indeed, what it does do is usually handled quite
well by portions of other programs. YMMV, of course.

It isn't possible that the plugging of this $20 utility is the only
reason for your posts here, is it?
--
CQ

[brian]

I think you should try converting to the mp3's to a wave file and then
burning the cd, with the same software and other software to eliminate your
software as the problem. If it still has problems, then it would seem you
have a hardware issue.

FYI there are many freeware utilities that will convert mp3 to wave just hop
on a search endinge and pick one.

good luck.

"anjy" <caveman190029@yahoo.com.cn> wrote in message
news:a5bb1bca.0308260603.6e7680ad@posting.google.c om...
> "G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message
news:<Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>...
> > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R.
Certain
> > tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it
almost
> > sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
> > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on
MP3,
> > they sound fine.
> >
> > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless
CD-R's
> > because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
> > everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no
matter
> > how many times I download them.
> >
> > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually
figure
> > out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD
(thus
> > not having to waste them)?
> >
> > Any help is much appreciated.
>
>
> When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
> work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
> files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
> first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
> good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
> following mp3 decoder:
> MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
> BPS Audio Converter

[Romeo Rondeau]

"CQ" <cappynospamcue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19b536d37c6fe6e5989864@news.cis.dfn.de...
> In a previous post, anjy said...
>
> > When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
> > work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
> > files to CD
>
> Oh, come on. If you are going to break the burning of a CD down into its
> component steps then list them all, not just the one that you "happen to
> know" a program to help with.

Actually, his advice is good. If you make a .wav file, then you can listen
to it and see if you have a good decode.

>
> > So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
> > first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
> > good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.
>
> Well, you don't need a good mp3 decoder *first* since every burning
> program on the market these days seems to have one as an integral part of
> the program. It has been years since I've seen a CD burning program that
> would not decode mp3 files transparently in the background during a burn.

Actually the good "decoder" is usually a function of the operating system
and the codecs installed, although in some cases, such as Winamp, this isn't
necessarily true. Most pieces of software use whatever is installed. MP3
decoding in kind of a done deal (with a few exceptions of course), it's the
encoding that gets tricky. That's where the biggest difference in quality
can be found. Of course as you said, the chances of this being the cause of
the OP is pretty slim.

> It isn't possible that the plugging of this $20 utility is the only
> reason for your posts here, is it?

Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their Wheaties
today! :-)

[CQ]

In a previous post, Romeo Rondeau said...

> Actually, his advice is good. If you make a .wav file, then you can listen
> to it and see if you have a good decode.

He didn't give advice. He claimed burning a CD had two steps. Making a
wave and finishing the CD. Is that how you would break it down? Not if
you know what you are talking about, no.

> Actually the good "decoder" is usually a function of the operating system
> and the codecs installed, although in some cases, such as Winamp, this isn't
> necessarily true.

He's the one saying you need a good decoder program. And then he is
linking you to one you can conveniently purchase. You are in such a
hurry to correct me for some reason that you are replying to the wrong
place. He's claiming the decoder he is linking to is the "good" one.

As for the other, you are wrong or oversimplifying. Many burning
programs have their own internal decoders, not just Winamp. You saying
all these tests are of the same operating system function?

http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/overall.html

> Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
> mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their Wheaties
> today! :-)

Right. I took the time to look up his posting history, did you? Two
posts. Plugging the same program. Identical posts. Cut and pasted
blurbs for the program he is plugging. If you like to read ads or wade
through spam in newsgroups then good for you. I don't. If I see someone
using the newsgroups I frequent to spam or advertise and I'm not busy at
the time, I will call them on it.

In the meantime you can eat all the Wheaties you want and crap out fully
formed fiber filled spam-cakes for all I care. Me, I think I'll go have
a steak.

--
CQ
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Sig file format shamelessly stolen from LocoJones

[Romeo Rondeau]

>
> He didn't give advice. He claimed burning a CD had two steps. Making a
> wave and finishing the CD. Is that how you would break it down? Not if
> you know what you are talking about, no.

I'd break it down that same way. Make .wav files from the mp3's, then burn
from there. I was pointing out that the advantage to burning them from
..wav's is you can hear the raw sound that will end up on the CD. And
actually I do know what I'm talking about. So there! :-)


> He's the one saying you need a good decoder program. And then he is
> linking you to one you can conveniently purchase. You are in such a
> hurry to correct me for some reason that you are replying to the wrong
> place. He's claiming the decoder he is linking to is the "good" one.

I was actually adding to the conversation. Thanks for playing... and jumping
on me.


>
> As for the other, you are wrong or oversimplifying. Many burning
> programs have their own internal decoders, not just Winamp. You saying
> all these tests are of the same operating system function?

I used Winamp as an example, I didn't say it was the only one. RTFP.


>
> http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/overall.html
>
> > Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
> > mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their
Wheaties
> > today! :-)
>
> Right. I took the time to look up his posting history, did you? Two
> posts. Plugging the same program. Identical posts. Cut and pasted
> blurbs for the program he is plugging. If you like to read ads or wade
> through spam in newsgroups then good for you. I don't. If I see someone
> using the newsgroups I frequent to spam or advertise and I'm not busy at
> the time, I will call them on it.

I wouldn't call a couple of posts spam. ****, I've mentioned Nuendo, Sound
Forge and CD Archetect more than twice each, does that mean I'm spamming the
group? If he was continually doing it, I would expect someone to say
something about it. Two posts? Damn. Were the links relevant to his posts? I
know a guy that has a testing website that posts his link everytime someone
says "digital audio, bit depth, or sample rate", he doesn't get jumped on
nearly as bad as this. Give the guy a friggin' break, if he becomes a
problem then jump his ass.

>
> In the meantime you can eat all the Wheaties you want and crap out fully
> formed fiber filled spam-cakes for all I care. Me, I think I'll go have
> a steak.

Well, if you aren't gonna eat your Wheaties, at least switch to decaf and
calm the **** down. It's only USENET for chrissake.