Engineer's Union?

[Jon Erickson]

Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?

Helsing

[Jay - atldigi]

In article <401ddee5.0308252237.50bc91ef@posting.google.com>,
helsingericksonaudio@cox.net (Jon Erickson) wrote:

> Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?
>
> Helsing

Film and TV mixers and editors are union on the bigger jobs, and there's
also a union covering live sound guys who do Vegas and Disney gigs (or
was - don't know currently), and the guys at Capitol Studios are union
as well. Most music recording and mixing engineers, however, have been
union free for quite some time.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

[James Boyk]

Jon Erickson wrote: Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?

It's hilarious to imagine what a meeting of such a union would be like, given the individualism of engineers!

James Boyk

[Jay Kadis]

In article <bifupb$8l$1@naig.caltech.edu> James Boyk <boyk@caltech.edu> writes:
> Jon Erickson wrote: Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?
>
> It's hilarious to imagine what a meeting of such a union would be like, given
the individualism of engineers!
>
> James Boyk

I've got a feeling it would look a lot like rec.audio.pro. It's the old
Groucho line about not wanting to belong to any group that would have him as a
member.

-Jay

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[EggHd]

I believe the staff engineers at Capitol Records studios are still union (at
least they were a few years ago).


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"Jon Erickson" <helsingericksonaudio@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?
>
> Helsing

[John Cafarella]

"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
news:bifvhh$6vh$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> In article <bifupb$8l$1@naig.caltech.edu> James Boyk <boyk@caltech.edu>
writes:
> > Jon Erickson wrote: Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?
> >
> > It's hilarious to imagine what a meeting of such a union would be like,
given
> the individualism of engineers!
> >
> > James Boyk
>
> I've got a feeling it would look a lot like rec.audio.pro. It's the old
> Groucho line about not wanting to belong to any group that would have him
as a
> member.
>
> -Jay

When I was about 18, a friend and I, whilst quite drunk, became the inaugral
two members of the " I don't give a F***" club.

Subsequently, when people asked us if they could join, we took great delight
in telling them that they'd disqualified themselves from entry, simply by
caring enough to ask about it.
--
John Cafarella
End Of the Road Studio
Melbourne, Australia

[Eric Toline]

IATSE for film sound mixers, NABET for most TV broadcast mixers.


Eric

[Bob Ross]

James Boyk wrote:

> Jon Erickson wrote: Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?
>
> It's hilarious to imagine what a meeting of such a union would be like, given the individualism of engineers!
>
> James Boyk

What, so you're suggesting that stagehands, dockworkers, or hotel tradesmen aren't individualistic (sic)? Have
you ever even met any?

How about musicians?

/Bob Ross

[David Satz]

Jon Erickson wrote:

> Has there ever been a union for recording engineers?

RCA Studios was a NABET shop--a holdover from the days when NBC and RCA
were one company. But it was very much a "sweetheart" arrangement, as
they told me quite openly when I was hired there. When management said
to jump, the union stewards asked "how high and at what frequency?".

[Bob Olhsson]

In article <atldigi-E96F9D.01184726082003@news1.news.adelphia.net>, Jay
- atldigi <atldigi@aol.com> wrote:

>Most music recording and mixing engineers, however, have been
>union free for quite some time.

And what we get paid is less than a quarter of it was even in non-union
situations back when most major label work was done by union engineers.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN 615.385.8051
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
http://www.hyperback.com/olhsson.html
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!

[Bob Olhsson]

In article <e6a68193.0308261852.21b07003@posting.google.com>, David
Satz <DSatz@msn.com> wrote:

>When management said
>to jump, the union stewards asked "how high and at what frequency?".

That's because RCA had shut down three studios over a union dispute.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN 615.385.8051
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
http://www.hyperback.com/olhsson.html
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!