Double pedal design question

[Quadricept]

All-
I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
off to the left of center of the main pedal.
So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
pedal?
Thanks!
Todd
***
"Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
"underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com

[bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net]

Quadricept <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote:
> All-
> I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
> noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
> right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
> off to the left of center of the main pedal.
> So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
> their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
> right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
> pedal?

Why would you want one built that way? If you look at some of the
older (and cheaper) designs you'll find they are built the way
you say, because to save money they start with single pedal
design and adapt it to a double. The problem with this is
that usually you want the left and right beater to sound
the same. If the right beater hits the center of the bass
and the left hits way off center then the sounds are different.
So that if you want them to be the same you have to mount
the pedal way off center on the bass hoop. This tilts the
pedal and all kinds of bad stuff.

My old Gibralter pedals solved this problem by allowing the
beaters to slide on the shaft. That way you can slide
them sideways and clamp them down in various postions
from the center. Personally I like to keep them as close
to the centerline as I can with them left and right of
center. Makes both beaters give pretty much the same sound.

benj

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[Robert Schuh]

Quadricept wrote:

> All-
> I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
> noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
> right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
> off to the left of center of the main pedal.
> So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
> their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
> right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
> pedal?
> Thanks!
> Todd
> ***
> "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
> "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
> Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com

I would guess they do this to be able to get a more consistent sound from each
beater. If the one is dead center and the other one off of center, you are going ot
have a different pitch. If both are off center by the same distance, they, in
theory, should have the same pitch.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[C S]

Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding like an
idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.



"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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> Quadricept wrote:
>
> > All-
> > I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over
and
> > noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off
to the
> > right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on
it's axis
> > off to the left of center of the main pedal.
> > So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit
along
> > their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still
have the
> > right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a
single
> > pedal?
> > Thanks!
> > Todd
> > ***
> > "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
> > "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
> > Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com
>
> I would guess they do this to be able to get a more consistent sound from
each
> beater. If the one is dead center and the other one off of center, you are
going ot
> have a different pitch. If both are off center by the same distance, they,
in
> theory, should have the same pitch.
>
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
>
>

[Quadricept]

Yeah, now I agree. I actually moved my main beater toward the center a little
more and I kinda like that subtle difference.Might get (a tad) more punch w/
that main beater dead center.
Thanks for the input guys.
***
"Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
"underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com

[Chris Milillo]

"C S" <leghornfk__@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
> That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding like
an
> idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.

Though I would prefer my pedals to sound the same, they never do. But I
don't play much double bass anymore. It just doesn't interest me, as it once
did.

Despite the fact that I like a lot of Lars' work, (mostly on "Master of
Puppets" and "And Justice For All") he is FAR (tm Rob) from a master of 2
bass drums/pedals. If you see Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.

CM

[nick amoroso]

chris wrote.

> "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
>
>CM

word.

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
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[Daniel W. Rouse Jr.]

"Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> "C S" <leghornfk__@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:zCo4b.94890$kP.83958@fed1read03...
> > Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
> > That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding
like
> an
> > idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.
>
> Though I would prefer my pedals to sound the same, they never do. But
I
> don't play much double bass anymore. It just doesn't interest me, as it
once
> did.
>
> Despite the fact that I like a lot of Lars' work, (mostly on "Master
of
> Puppets" and "And Justice For All") he is FAR (tm Rob) from a master of 2
> bass drums/pedals. If you see Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
>
Hmm...

Do they happen to use a drum machine for the bass drum parts in the studio?
That might explain why the bass drum sound has so much "tick" to it.

[Quadricept]

What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he could
play the parts, no?
T

>Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
>> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
>>


***
"Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
"underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com

[Chris Milillo]

"Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
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> What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he
could
> play the parts, no?
> T

It just sounds like a spaz, rather than even16th note triplets, which
lock in with the guitar riff.

CM

> >Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
> >> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.

[TJ Hertz]

Chris Milillo wrote:
> "Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
> news:20030901102129.26616.00000169@mb-m26.aol.com...
>> What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured
>> he could play the parts, no?
>> T
>
> It just sounds like a spaz, rather than even16th note triplets,
> which lock in with the guitar riff.
>
> CM
>
>>> Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
>>>> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.

Didn't he record that album one bar at a time, or something obscene like
that?

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TJ Hertz
http://www.whatyourenot.com

[Dan Radin]

"Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
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> I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he could
> play the parts, no?

Not anymore.