Drugs

[thepodman]

What do you think of psychoactive drugs?

[alcozma]

Whats with the sudden influx of druggies :laugh:

[kim_eh]

Originally posted by alcozma
Whats with the sudden influx of druggies :laugh:

:laugh: No idea. Maybe we've always had alot of druggies on the board and never knew about it.

[G-man]

If I recall... weren't there quite a few supporters for that "legalise it" thread?

[thepodman]

People who want to legalize drugs don't necessarily do them.

[alcozma]

Originally posted by thepodman
People who want to legalize drugs don't necessarily do them.
Why would people who don't use drugs be thinking about this? Would it really concern them:confused2

[Pol]

Now that's a good point...why would they :confused2

[kim_eh]

Good question. I'm gonna be thinkin about that for a while...

[gejoko]

Keine Macht den Drogen!

[thepodman]

Originally posted by alcozma
Why would people who don't use drugs be thinking about this? Would it really concern them:confused2

Because legalizing drugs helps EVERYONE. Go to the following links for explanations.

http://www.normal.no/txt/pol05re5.htm
http://www.bmstahoe.com/Drugs/legaldrugs.htm
http://www.lp.org/issues/relegalize.html

[* réprouvé *]

Originally posted by thepodman
Because legalizing drugs helps EVERYONE.

really? someone I know died from using heroin...how is that helping anyone..?

[thepodman]

Originally posted by * hotchick *
really? someone I know died from using heroin...how is that helping anyone..?

Because heroin goes into the black market when it becomes illegal. This means dealers can cut heroin with stuff to make more money. Not only that, but the black market has no age limit (like alcohol or cigarettes), so kids can buy this impure heroin. With legal drugs, addicts could get treatment instead of going to jail. Legal drugs would also be pure so you could be more aware of the dose to take.

The same thing happened with alcohol prohibition in the USA. The government should have learned its lesson.

[BarryC]

Drugs are baddd, mkk?

I bet there would be less violence if they were legalized but more OD deaths, so whats the point?

[thepodman]

Originally posted by BarryC
Drugs are baddd, mkk?

I bet there would be less violence if they were legalized but more OD deaths, so whats the point?

" A given amount of legal drug use would cause much less death and illness than the same amount of illegal drug use. A realistic estimate is that illegal drug use is five times more dangerous than legal use, (see appendix, "Acute Effects"). Thus, even a highly unlikely five fold increase in drug use under legalization would not increase the current number of drug overdose deaths. The yearly number of heroin and cocaine deaths combined is about 3,000 per year.[73] Eighty percent,or 2,400, are caused by black market factors (see appendix,"Acute Effects"); 20 percent, or 600, are caused by the intrinsic effects of the drugs. If, under legalization, legal use remained at the same level as current illegal use, there would be only 600 deaths each year. Only a 500 percent increase in use would match the current black market death toll.

Furthermore, it would take a 1,275 percent increase in legal drug use to produce as many deaths as drug prohibition--through murder, AIDS, and poisoned drugs is already causing. Prohibition now causes 8,250 deaths, while 600 are the result of the drugs themselves. Thus, in order for legalized drug use to match the overall death toll of prohibition, use would have to increase more than 13-fold"

source http://jimostrowski.com/articles/drugLegalization.htm

[johnrowley]

If some drugs were legalised like marijuana and controlled by the government in terms of purity etc, more money would be raised in a form of tax. Look at the Dutch system. If doctors in UK want to do a long term study on m they could not because it was illegal to grow it even for trials! Apparently they were using it in pills and placebos on patients. Do not know the results yet. I personally would not take drugs as I do not see the need. Incidentally in the UK (and perhaps elsewhere) alcohol and cigarettes (which are poisonous and are drugs!) are perfectly legal to use if you are over 18 for alcohol and over 16 for cigarettes. Work that one out!

[Betty_Boop]

That's what don't make sense to me. Here in Canada they are advertising like crazy using taxpayers dollars to try and persuade the general public to quit smoking. Now they are trying to completely ban smoking in bars all across Canada. I do understand the reprocussions and the problems with smoking, but if the government is so dead on smokers, then why don't they take the damn stuff off the shelves and make it illegal and shut down the tobacco growers like they do with the marjiuana operations.

[FranzFD]

Originally posted by thepodman People who want to legalize drugs don't necessarily do them.
Originally posted by alcozma
Why would people who don't use drugs be thinking about this? Would it really concern them:confused2
I guess its like how a straight person can support homosexual marriage..
& how a gay person can support heterosexual marraige. :laugh:

(but guess it's a bit different in this case...)

In addition to more O.D. cases, we'd probably have more deadly car accidents if psychoactive drugs were legalized. People can drink a little alcohol at social events, know their limit & not get drunk (or be responsible about it), but who the heck does hardcore drugs without the intention of getting high?

Also, this would probably give children easier access to the even more dangerous stuff at a young age. :exasper: Will someone please think of the children!

[thepodman]

Actually it is easier for most kids to get illegal drugs than it is to get alcohol (which is legal with an age limit). I know when I was in middle and high school I could get meth, weed, or opium any time I wanted, but I couldn't get alcohol.

[kj_du]

I had no problems getting drugs when I was young and still have no problems now that i am old

[Betty_Boop]

Kids today have better access than we did when we were in high school. I did it to be cool, but kids do it now because they get addicted. The availablity of drugs and the variety is outrageous. They do more drugs now than I can ever imagine. Just a little while ago, a kid in elementary and I'm talking a 6th grader was caught with marjiuana. The problem is that young offenders will only get a slap on the wrist. If an adult was caught, they'd end up in jail. Go Figure! If you are old enough to do the crime you are old enough to do the time.

[Soniya]

drugs are simply.. tempting.

[G-man]

drugs are simply.. tempting.

If that were true people wouldn't be doing drugs. They'd merely be tempted to use them... (kinda' like Bill Clinton saying he doesn't inhale). :laugh:

[* réprouvé *]

drugs are simply.. tempting.

lol ......................

[* réprouvé *]

Why would people who don't use drugs be thinking about this? Would it really concern them:confused2

Because drugs are now a major issue and and its a really controversial topic...people who have views on it usually have really strong ones..
Drugs are pushed in your face now, especially if you're younger, and now that the government are making a big deal about whether or not to lower cannibis or take it back up again in what class it is, its going to cause up roar with the people who dont agree with the final decision..
Ok, I havent taken cannibis for a LONG time, but when I did I loved the effects of it and its easy to see why some people become mentally dependent on it. But I wasnt a drop out druggy, despite how I may come across I'm pretty smart and when I took it I knew the effects and dangers of it yet when people are young they sometimes are confused.
Some people who want to legalise drugs arn't always 'druggies', yet some people who use drugs may also want them banned..its a complicated issue but I can see why people find it an interesting subject to talk about.

[xCoRnfLaKeSx]

drugs are simply.. tempting.
i totally agree. i was tempted, and did it. stopped for a while to do my exams though. the difference is that some people use them recreationally (i.e- me and reprouve) and some people use them like muppets, which gives us lil druggies a bad name :D anyhoo, i can totally relate to reprouve, cos a big amount of my drugs taking and wild and wonderful hallucinations were spent with you :P a lot of ppl i assosciate with now still do them, and i dont mind. i've just had a...pause to get me through my education. i realised i'm in no rush. iv got the rest of my life to get smacked off my tits, and im mature enough to say - yes, there are dangers, but i dont use drugs excessively and im always careful. THAT my fwendies, is the difference! :D

[MDniteStryKR]

there's a reason why drugs are illegal..they bring harmful effects to the body..they affect the body systems causing them to malfunction..this leads to so many other complications both physically and mentally..as mentioned by Franz FD:

In addition to more O.D. cases, we'd probably have more deadly car accidents if psychoactive drugs were legalized. People can drink a little alcohol at social events, know their limit & not get drunk (or be responsible about it), but who the heck does hardcore drugs without the intention of getting high?

alcohol can encourage violent behaviour in certain people but when it comes to drugs the effect is on all who take it..that's when we get fights and killings and the worst part is some dont even remember committing it! also hallucinations can lead to suicide and criminal behaviour..furthermore, if it is not obvious enough, drugs are addictive..addiction is not when a junkie yearns for drugs contrary to popular belief but it is when the body fails to function properly without the presence of the drug in the system..so like it or not the junkie has to take drugs..and then he needs more and more to achieve the same level of 'high' which results in higher dosage taken by the druggie.

man, there's loads more i could go on and on..do we actually need all this?
alcohol is not as dangerous as drugs although it does bring biological damage..see our liver cells can regenerate so controlled drinking doesn't bring much harm..and as for smoking, nicotine causes addiction but then again it is less harmful compared to drugs..of course i wouldn't encourage smoking cuz i think it's a total waste of time..even my smoker friends advice against it..but i think MJ's pretty okay if done once in a while since it's effect is similar to alcohol and it does not cause addiction..

but well, since when do humans do anything responsibly?

[* réprouvé *]

...so like it or not the junkie has to take drugs..and then he needs more and more to achieve the same level of 'high' which results in higher dosage taken by the druggie.

Thats true...that is one of the reasons some people progress to harder drugs when they actually started of soft drugs like weed. if someone takes a certain drug excessively not only will it cause damage to their body but they will also become bored of the effects and either (like you said MD) take more and more OR progress onto other drugs..yet - and I've heard this many times - There's nothing for teenagers to do but hang round and talk, which can get boring; drugs put a funny spin on things so they take them, they then begin to rely on them for having fun..

man there's loads more i could go on and on..do we actually need all this?
alcohol is not as dangerous as drugs although it does bring biological damage..see our liver cells can regenerate so controlled drinking doesn't bring much harm..

Alcohol isn't illegal but its entertaining, so people can drink excessive amounts, whereas in some cases it can be almost as dangerous to you and others around you as drugs can, yet younger people dont seem to realise that, it causes alot of damage to your body if you drink alot over a period of time - the only reason you have a hangover is because your body is recovering from the damage done the night before..

[MDniteStryKR]

yes it definitely is :-p
but keep in mind people also take alcohol for it's flavor and not merely to get drunk..such as wine, champagne, even beer! that's not the case for drugs now is it? of course anything consumed in excess is harmful to the body but alcohol has a long term effect which i am not saying is good but if u stop or reduce in time it can reduce the damage unlike drugs..one is more likely to die of drug overdose compared to alcohol overdose..anyway the body's natural mechanism protects one from excess alcohol by making one puke..that happens when alcohol level in the bloodstream is relatively high..but in the case of drugs the harm is more chemical than biological which is way more dangerous.

besides, the reason we get a hangover is because after a whole night of partying :boozer: the body suddenly lacks alcohol when we go to bed hence the headache when we get up..that's why they say having a sip of whatever drink u had the night before helps reduce the hangover..i once drank all night till the next morning and didn't sleep at all and didn't come down with any hangover whatsoever..i probably would've if i had gotten drunk but that's a different story :-p

[xCoRnfLaKeSx]

i thought a hangover was due to dehydration, starving your body of water because booze suuuucks it all out....:confused:
meh....i once got soooo drunk my kidneys half packed up and refused to piss....that was pretty scary...never been that drunk again. dont want to be! mind you, i did wake up with a hangover at 5am. what did i do? neck some more vodka! thats the reason i nearly DIED :P
silly me!
xx

[MDniteStryKR]

yeah probably that too but it's not as bad..if u drink enough water u won't get dehydrated..i always make sure i drink enough water after having alcohol..i keep a bottle in the refridgerator too just in case i wake up thirsty..

lol cornflakes, u're supposed to take a sip or two of vodka, not finish the whole bottle!