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Old 08-28-2003, 12:08 AM   #1
Don't forget to bring a TOWEL!
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Default 1st foray into guitmosynths: Trials & Triblulation w/GK-2A mounting

Okay, so I got this Roland GR-50 & GK-2A via
eBay, as I was saying. Good, cheap, supposedly
a good option to paying ~$700 for the newest
synth in the fleet, the GR-33. The synth itself is, of
course, dated, but the tracking seems fine, and
the GK-2A is compatible with all the Roland synths
thusfar, even after, what? 13 years? Heh... I dunno
exactly when the GR-50 came out, but it was a
while ago.

First trial: Unit arrives sans mounting bracket for the
GK-2A. Well, that's cool -- the guy selling it had it
permanently screwed down to his axe, and didn't
say otherwise. So, off to Home Depot for a micro-
clamp, and that does a fine job of getting the
control box of the GK-2A to stay on the Hamer. I
place an order for the "official hardware" direct to
Roland that day.

Then comes placing the "divided pickup" (hex pup
for those so inclined). Just need to get that puppy
closer to the strings... Roland suggests 1mm between
the pup and the string when fretted at the highest
fret. Q: Why in the hell aren't the poles adjustable?
The GK-2A's pickup has a curved profile... for what
radius, what guitar? Sheesh. Anyway, a $2 bit of
balsa was employed to create a riser, and we're off
and running in test mode (supply of double-face
tape used to adhere pup to balsa, and balsa to
Hamer). It tracks okay, but the E strings are too far
from the pup to register when picking with normal
force. Hmmm. Decide to wait for the Roland
mounting bracket before trying to figure out how
to resolve this.

Trial Two: Bracket arrives. Oh, it mounts via the
strap pin at the south end of the guitar. Looks like
the Hamer is out -- it has countersunken Schaller
StrapLoks, which I thought was a great feature...
up until now.

I take the Ibanez Sabre off the living room wall,
and start wondering about how that might work
out for the GK-2A. With a couple of wood blocks,
perhaps; the body is so incredibly thin at the edges,
it'd take 3/4"+ shim inside the bracket's clamp to
make *that* happen, grrrr. Also, pushing the bracket
north (towards the headstock) meant that the
assembly would interfere with the vibrato tailpiece
on the guitar. Again, a wood block and a longer
wood screw to attach the strap pin, and... well,
hell! I have other guitars!

Trial Three: Bingo. It seemed an unlikely choice,
given its extremely flat fretboard radius of 20", but
I went ahead anyway, installing the GK-2A on my
Carvin H2T. Oddly enough, the tracking works well,
and the bracket fit the "southwest" strap pin with
no intereference with other controls, and with
excellent results (the H series guitars all have two
"southern" strap pins). Again, balsa was used to raise
the pup to the appropriate height.

So NOW begins the real adventure. I should have
64 different patches available to me, and the
previous owner already saved some of his own on
here, of course. He has a decent glockenspiel patch
that I've been foolin' with for the last 30 minutes.
Looking at the manual, I am freaking out trying to
make sense of it all, but I WAS warned about the
complexity of this unit (and the Japanese TechWriter
Syndrome, heh). I downloaded the GinoSoft MIDI
patch-editor/librarian from the net, and have a low-
octane Toshiba laptop (normally used for OBD-II work
with my car, heh) available to run this... should I suffer
the pains and arrows afforded by the steep learning
curve which only *might* make it possible.

Any advice, RMMG? Prayers? Support groups?

--
Toucan
"I could never force
A Three-Legged Cat
To do anything like that
To do anything like that"


 
Old 08-28-2003, 10:21 AM   #2
Monkey
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Default Re: 1st foray into guitmosynths: Trials & Triblulation w/GK-2A mounting

I've always wanted to set up one of those systems for my Strat. I think
that they're probably well worth the learning curve. Just think of all the
cool tones you'll be able to play with once you've learned it.

Sorry to hear about your difficulties with the mounting. I can't even
imagine trying to set one of those up on my Les Paul. I've been really
looking at the Graph Tech Ghost system that includes the 13 pin output in
it. I know it is more money, but if you use it you could set it up on the
guitar you use most.

Rick


"Don't forget to bring a TOWEL!" <touscan4kin@com-diddley-castaway.net>
wrote in message news:FA2dnRkPGbavAdCiXTWJjA@comcast.com...
> Okay, so I got this Roland GR-50 & GK-2A via
> eBay, as I was saying. Good, cheap, supposedly
> a good option to paying ~$700 for the newest
> synth in the fleet, the GR-33. The synth itself is, of
> course, dated, but the tracking seems fine, and
> the GK-2A is compatible with all the Roland synths
> thusfar, even after, what? 13 years? Heh... I dunno
> exactly when the GR-50 came out, but it was a
> while ago.
>
> First trial: Unit arrives sans mounting bracket for the
> GK-2A. Well, that's cool -- the guy selling it had it
> permanently screwed down to his axe, and didn't
> say otherwise. So, off to Home Depot for a micro-
> clamp, and that does a fine job of getting the
> control box of the GK-2A to stay on the Hamer. I
> place an order for the "official hardware" direct to
> Roland that day.
>
> Then comes placing the "divided pickup" (hex pup
> for those so inclined). Just need to get that puppy
> closer to the strings... Roland suggests 1mm between
> the pup and the string when fretted at the highest
> fret. Q: Why in the hell aren't the poles adjustable?
> The GK-2A's pickup has a curved profile... for what
> radius, what guitar? Sheesh. Anyway, a $2 bit of
> balsa was employed to create a riser, and we're off
> and running in test mode (supply of double-face
> tape used to adhere pup to balsa, and balsa to
> Hamer). It tracks okay, but the E strings are too far
> from the pup to register when picking with normal
> force. Hmmm. Decide to wait for the Roland
> mounting bracket before trying to figure out how
> to resolve this.
>
> Trial Two: Bracket arrives. Oh, it mounts via the
> strap pin at the south end of the guitar. Looks like
> the Hamer is out -- it has countersunken Schaller
> StrapLoks, which I thought was a great feature...
> up until now.
>
> I take the Ibanez Sabre off the living room wall,
> and start wondering about how that might work
> out for the GK-2A. With a couple of wood blocks,
> perhaps; the body is so incredibly thin at the edges,
> it'd take 3/4"+ shim inside the bracket's clamp to
> make *that* happen, grrrr. Also, pushing the bracket
> north (towards the headstock) meant that the
> assembly would interfere with the vibrato tailpiece
> on the guitar. Again, a wood block and a longer
> wood screw to attach the strap pin, and... well,
> hell! I have other guitars!
>
> Trial Three: Bingo. It seemed an unlikely choice,
> given its extremely flat fretboard radius of 20", but
> I went ahead anyway, installing the GK-2A on my
> Carvin H2T. Oddly enough, the tracking works well,
> and the bracket fit the "southwest" strap pin with
> no intereference with other controls, and with
> excellent results (the H series guitars all have two
> "southern" strap pins). Again, balsa was used to raise
> the pup to the appropriate height.
>
> So NOW begins the real adventure. I should have
> 64 different patches available to me, and the
> previous owner already saved some of his own on
> here, of course. He has a decent glockenspiel patch
> that I've been foolin' with for the last 30 minutes.
> Looking at the manual, I am freaking out trying to
> make sense of it all, but I WAS warned about the
> complexity of this unit (and the Japanese TechWriter
> Syndrome, heh). I downloaded the GinoSoft MIDI
> patch-editor/librarian from the net, and have a low-
> octane Toshiba laptop (normally used for OBD-II work
> with my car, heh) available to run this... should I suffer
> the pains and arrows afforded by the steep learning
> curve which only *might* make it possible.
>
> Any advice, RMMG? Prayers? Support groups?
>
> --
> Toucan
> "I could never force
> A Three-Legged Cat
> To do anything like that
> To do anything like that"
>
>



 
Old 08-28-2003, 11:20 AM   #3
Charlie Escher
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Don't forget to bring a TOWEL! wrote:


>
> So NOW begins the real adventure. I should have
> 64 different patches available to me, and the
> previous owner already saved some of his own on
> here, of course. He has a decent glockenspiel patch
> that I've been foolin' with for the last 30 minutes.
> Looking at the manual, I am freaking out trying to
> make sense of it all, but I WAS warned about the
> complexity of this unit (and the Japanese TechWriter
> Syndrome, heh). I downloaded the GinoSoft MIDI
> patch-editor/librarian from the net, and have a low-
> octane Toshiba laptop (normally used for OBD-II work
> with my car, heh) available to run this... should I suffer
> the pains and arrows afforded by the steep learning
> curve which only *might* make it possible.
>
> Any advice, RMMG? Prayers? Support groups?


Yer doomed. Buy a sampler, and a MIDI foot switcher unit, and a VG-8, and...

Oh yeah, that'd be me; been there, done that. I put a *lot* of hours
into patch editing. My advice: just find about 4 patches that are
genuinely useful, and spend a year or so really learning how to use
them. Sitar/banjo with wah will lose you lots of friends <G>.

BTW, here's a look at my GK2A installation:
http://www.passing-wind.com/gear%20photos_5.htm

It actually complements the guitar headstock pretty well, no?


.cE

 
Old 08-28-2003, 12:06 PM   #4
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"Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote

> Yer doomed. Buy a sampler, and a MIDI foot switcher unit, and a VG-8,

and...

Oops. Can I bring a towel?

> Oh yeah, that'd be me; been there, done that. I put a *lot* of hours
> into patch editing. My advice: just find about 4 patches that are
> genuinely useful, and spend a year or so really learning how to use
> them. Sitar/banjo with wah will lose you lots of friends <G>.


Heh. Being a fan of Randy Newman's brother,
Tom, I've been dinking around with the keyboard
percussion patches first & foremost. There was a
decent preset for marimba that I used last night
to record a bit of what will probably end up on
the next RMMG CD.

> BTW, here's a look at my GK2A installation:
> http://www.passing-wind.com/gear%20photos_5.htm
>
> It actually complements the guitar headstock pretty well, no?


Yeah, it does. That's one o' them Kalamazoo
geetars? And that's the normal headstock...?

http://home.comcast.net/~orenzero/_GK2AH2T.jpg

--
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Hey man jam
the Tou-Wang Clan
Reply to me @ toucan@mailblocks.com


 
Old 08-28-2003, 12:28 PM   #5
Charlie Escher
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Don't forget to bring a TOWEL! wrote:
> "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote


> Heh. Being a fan of Randy Newman's brother,
> Tom, I've been dinking around with the keyboard
> percussion patches first & foremost. There was a
> decent preset for marimba that I used last night
> to record a bit of what will probably end up on
> the next RMMG CD.


I like the vibes patch on my GR-09. Mixed at near-subliminal level under
regular guitar, it does some really cool things. If you turn chromatic
mode off, and do bends, it's really interesting.
>
>
>>BTW, here's a look at my GK2A installation:
>>http://www.passing-wind.com/gear%20photos_5.htm
>>
>>It actually complements the guitar headstock pretty well, no?

>
>
> Yeah, it does. That's one o' them Kalamazoo
> geetars? And that's the normal headstock...?


That was an early model, which is quite an oddity actually. That is the
"normal" headstock, but I don't think Heritage made too many like that.
The guitar is not very Gibson-ish, it's even Fender scale. That guitar
just came to me, broken and in pieces. I wasn't looking for it at all,
it just showed up one day when I was trying to trade a few junkers.
Funny how that works sometimes.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~orenzero/_GK2AH2T.jpg


Did you check out the bass photos on my site? Pretty similar body wood
to the one in your picture, no? What is that one anyway?

.cE

 
Old 08-28-2003, 01:04 PM   #6
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"Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote

> That was an early model, which is quite an oddity actually. That is the
> "normal" headstock, but I don't think Heritage made too many like that.
> The guitar is not very Gibson-ish, it's even Fender scale. That guitar
> just came to me, broken and in pieces. I wasn't looking for it at all,
> it just showed up one day when I was trying to trade a few junkers.
> Funny how that works sometimes.


What did you have to do to it to get it up &
running again?

> Did you check out the bass photos on my site? Pretty similar body wood
> to the one in your picture, no? What is that one anyway?


Yeah, some coincidence, that. It's an Ibanez
Prestige model, SR3000? MIJ, very new... just got it
this year. It's quickly become my favorite instrument.

--
Toucan
"I could never force
A Three-Legged Cat
To do anything like that
To do anything like that"


 
Old 08-28-2003, 01:17 PM   #7
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Don't forget to bring a TOWEL! wrote:
> "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote
>
>
>>That was an early model, which is quite an oddity actually. That is the
>>"normal" headstock, but I don't think Heritage made too many like that.
>>The guitar is not very Gibson-ish, it's even Fender scale. That guitar
>>just came to me, broken and in pieces. I wasn't looking for it at all,
>>it just showed up one day when I was trying to trade a few junkers.
>>Funny how that works sometimes.

>
>
> What did you have to do to it to get it up &
> running again?


The guy I got it from told me he was quoted $175 to glue up the broken
headstock, dowel it, and refinish the top. I took it to the same place
he got the quote from, in Portland OR. They charged me $50 for a simple
glue-up, including strings and a complete setup. They told me to forget
about the perfectionist approach. I can alway get it refinished later,
but it looks pretty good actually. It was just the typical Gibson green
stick fracture, even with the Fenderish headstock. It plays great,
plenty fine for a hack like me.

The electronics were wired in a pretty funky fashion, but I just
restored things to the standard EMG wiring.
>
>
>>Did you check out the bass photos on my site? Pretty similar body wood
>>to the one in your picture, no? What is that one anyway?

>
>
> Yeah, some coincidence, that. It's an Ibanez
> Prestige model, SR3000? MIJ, very new... just got it
> this year. It's quickly become my favorite instrument.


Sweet, I've played some really nice Ibanez basses. I can never find any
fretless ones in stock anywhere though. I've barely touched my guitars
since I got my new bass back in April.


.cE

 
 

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